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Sounds like Israel’s main complaint is:

The U.S. official said the Biden administration’s stated aim has been to “ensure that an initial six-week ceasefire would be built into something more enduring. The agreement lays out three phases for this purpose and it would be our aim to see all three phases completed with all the hostages returned to their families.”

Israel doesn’t want a lasting ceasefire…

They want everything they’re asking for in exchange for a very brief “ceasefire” where they don’t actually even pause their genocide.

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There is no overlap of positions. It boils down to Hamas wants to stay in power and Isreal won’t agree to that. But, mediators still want to keep talks going.

It ain’t easy.

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They want Gaza to continue to exist, Israel does not.

Israel wants Gaza to become Israel, which is why they’re flattening it and killing everyone that lives there.

Since Hamas accepted this ceasefire agreement, Israel has stepped up their invasion and murdering of civilians

https://apnews.com/live/cease-fire-israel-hamas-updates

That’s not what you do if you’re legitimately working towards a ceasefire.

It’s no different than Russia saying they want peace while leaving out they’ll only stop the attack when they get everything they want.

Neither Russia nor Israel want peace, they want surrender.

It’s two very different things.

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It makes me very happy that I can actually completely agree with you this time.

Netanyahu has become a dog backed into a corner, with his only protection being a rabid pack of zealots whose god promised them land. He wants no cease fire, so makes unconditional surrender the only terms he’ll accept.

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The only way to an actual peace in the region is starting to take steps towards the long term. As distasteful as it may seem it likely includes giving Hamas at least some measure of a seat at the table in the process.

“I get what I want, you get a months reprieve before I kill you.” is not a serious proposal to end this.

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As distasteful as it may seem it likely includes giving Hamas at least some measure of a seat at the table in the process.

I don’t trust Hamas (nor the Israeli government for that matter), but the people of Gaza deserve representation. The last election was a held in 2006. Why not make a condition of this peace agreement that free and fair elections be held in Gaza so the people can choose their representation.

This would benefit Israel if they don’t like Hamas, and if the people don’t like the results the Oct 6th attack by Hamas, this would be their chance to voice their opinion and vote out Hamas. If Hamas rejects this demand then it would be very telling that Hamas just wants to stay in power. Perhaps Hamas could counter that if the people of Gaza get a vote for their government, the so should the people of Israel for their government. Do the people of Israel want to continue this bloodshed? Their vote will tell.

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“It looked like a whole new proposal,” one [Israeli] official said.

A source with knowledge of the negotiations said the U.S. invited the Israelis to Cairo over the weekend but they chose not to send a team. One Israeli official admitted it was a mistake that led Israel to have less visibility into the talks

Wow so weird that if you don’t show up to negotiations things happen without you! Who would have thought

It’s almost like they have no interest in diplomacy or actually getting the hostages back

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I come to negotiate peace! Give me everything I want and in exchange I’ll stop killing everyone for a month… Ok twist my arm, 2 months.

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I came to negotiate…Keep me in power and I’ll come back and murder your citizens, the way I promised to.

See. No overlap

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That’s also Israels position

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I wish I was so delusional as to think both sides are equally bad in this situation

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|“Keep me in power and I’ll come back and murder your citizens”

I legitimately don’t know if you are talking about Netanyahu or Hamas

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They ignore the parts that make Israel look just as bad

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Let’s blame the US for Israel’s genocide :::

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Israelis frustrated at this point can only be a good thing

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