Gonna need to be a full on poly commune at this rate if prices keep going up.

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We’re getting closer and closer to wrapping back around and just having community. Just remove the sex aspect and boom you got a community going.

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you ever wonder if communities typically did just have a bunch of sex but revisionism happened

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For most of the existence of human species (according to the scholarly consensus of anthropologists) we existed in bands of adults who would intermingle freely. Adolescent men would raid nearby tribes and kidnap their young women, which is the means by which genes were exchanged between tribes.

All the monogamy and licensing happened after agriculture and the great leap forward once tribes became big enough that infectious diseases were no longer contained through pure isolation. We see the misogynistic trends rise in late Hellenic periods and then Christianity cranked it up to eleven, so now we imagine even our migrant hunter-gatherer ancestors paired off.

As a note, during the middle ages, it was super important among aristocracy to assure ladies-in-waiting were virginal before they were wed, and then used purely as heir machines, but the serf class routinely banged like bunnies in springtime. And while frowned upon by the more piety-minded clergy, it was generally ignored because a) Child mortality was something awful and every kid that ever reached majority was to be celebrated, and b) The labor shortage was extreme everywhere. There was always way too much stuff to be done, and so every pair of hands was welcome, even when they were attacked to an idiot, a malformed hunchback, a ne’er-do-well or the bastard progeny of a mixed coupling.

Curiously, as we see in the birth of Mordred, pre-Christian European traditions included suspending adultery limitations during holidays, which happened at least once a season, sometimes twice. So even in societies where monogamy was the norm, there was a defined space for getting a bit on the side. (Useful when your partner was infertile.)

So yeah. Right in one.

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Thank you, for being the expert when we needed one.

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Adolescent men would raid nearby tribes and kidnap their young women, which is the means by which genes were exchanged between tribes.

We see the misogynistic trends rise in late Hellenic periods

hmmm

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even when they were attacked to an idiot, a malformed hunchback, a ne’er-do-well or the bastard progeny of a mixed coupling.

The serfs probably become more fit than the nobility over time because they had far more evolutionary pressure and diversity. The bloodline rules limited the nobility more than anything. One capable person doesn’t change much genetically in the grand scheme of things. Nepotism and inequality are anti-meritocratic.

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Source for the whole kidnapping aspect?

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This is a great write up.

Do you have any books/sources to recommend on this subject?

I’ve always been interested in klans persisting in the Middle East but dying out in Europe due (I’m told) to the Catholic church.

Any interesting sources would be greatly appreciated!

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I’d guess they did, but I have no way to prove it. Let’s build some and find out.

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but revisionism happened

The spotless translation of countless scrolls, tablets, and old books make this clear. They were all just roommates. Nothing to see here.

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Basically “samesies” skit lmao

https://youtu.be/sgfQ9o2-9BM?si=OZcIhaOCm_vOCusT

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9 points

This is like half the point of polyamory

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9 points

Maybe the treasure was the community we formed as we had all the sex.

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9 points

This is incredibly common in SF. Many people live in co-ops and it’s created an entire subculture where they coordinate large parties and events both within the co-op and with other co-ops. It’s gone beyond necessity and become preferred by some because they enjoy living with lots of others. Not my thing, but many friends live in co-ops and love it.

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Re-establishment of clans and tribes will soon become an economic necessity for the poor. Unions would of course be better, but I’m not holding my breath.

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Counterpoint: Clan night raids with fire & steal on the local oligarchs & tyrants.

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Realistically, it will be poor tribes vs poor tribes more often than not.

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Read Neal Stephenson’s “The Diamond Age.”

Book has a lot of idea, but one of them ios that the old nations have broken down and people become part of clans, some small and some nation sized.

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It’s also a fairly good introduction to programming logic.

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6 points

“Go pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”

“Here are the 12 loves of bread you wanted.”

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61 points

All three in my triad are ADHD no one else cares enough to try to understand us but we have eachother.

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46 points

Who up to join the polycule

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Or just a co-op house so we don’t feel obligated to copulate with each other, which we could do any ways in a co-op but only if we actually want to.

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48 points

nobody should ever feel obligated to copulate in any relationship :c

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7 points

I think there’s this common misconception that poly means everyone is bangging everyone & my experience is the the intimate connections tend to be radial & not closed loops. A sorts of ‘tribe’ structure.

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IMO that’s the way it should be, rather then this fractured, boxed up society we have today.

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41 points

Polymisery

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Looks like name for next TOOL album

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