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China puts the first human being on Mars, who declares the dawn of the Red Century. Everyone claps and abandons capitalism.

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The red planet.

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China defeating america on the global economic stage allowing the countries of the global south to develop independently, inevitably leading to communism

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Overprivatization throughout the west eventually leading to western governments becoming insignificant. Ancap corporate feudalism ensues, fails horribly, China and other socialist countries far outstrip those countries, and then enough people along the way think “huh maybe we should do something a bit more like that”.

I think that’s the most likely hope for a communist future. The ideal way would obviously be mass organisation and consciousness to the point where you could just elect a socialist third party and have the organised masses to ensure that changeover actually happens.

Real question is if any of that happens quickly enough before climate change causes too much devastation.

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Real question is if any of that happens quickly enough before climate change causes too much devastation.

It’s a dark possible outcome: Capitalism becoming literally unstoppable in the lead up to total environmental collapse precisely because it expends no effort on trying to preserve a future, and so can materially out-compete other systems that are trying to save that future. That’s the folly of liberal efforts to create “market based solutions” to environmental problems, and is why western liberalism is definitely not going to have a future.

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It’s a scarily plausible outcome, and reinforces how changing behaviour in western countries is the only hope - Even if China went carbon negative tomorrow, it still can’t outweigh the rest of the world’s spewy businesses who would just see it as a carte blanche to make more money.

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Real question is if any of that happens quickly enough before climate change causes too much devastation.

Lol, lmao even, we’re way past late for that unless major change happens almost literally overnight.

I think your take is spot on except there’s probably going to be another fascism phase that’s going to hit some/most/all of Euro states.

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global south appropriating more surplus value in any way (either via sovereign porkies/socialism/core buying stuff without financing core bourgeois), causing crisis of profitability in the core

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U.S. balkanization.

Market socialism.

Building of worker-led organizations/structures that can take the place of capitalist institutions when they collapse.

This is a bit of an odd one, but I think a sort of spat between the PMC and the bourgeoisie is going to be a precursor of sorts to socialist economies. Not a full blown class war like it was between the bourgeoisie and the aristocracy, but enough of a disruption with the PMC wanting to be more than just fig leaf for capital that it will create the opportunity for the working class to seize control. Could even sway some of the PMC with “well you can still be elected worksite organizer in the new economy.”

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