“Nuke Palestine!”
Doest this man under the implications of what he is suggesting?
He’s probably posturing but who even knows with Graham? There aren’t words for someone whose role in society is as corossive as that man.
Apparently the Reagan admin was surprised, after the cccp was destroyed, to find that the Soviets actually believed things the president of the us said in public regarding us foreign policy. I guess it just never occured to a bunch of petit boug christian fascist frauds that anyone would actually believe public statements from politicians.
As yes nuking a territory right next to your own holdings that you intend to occupy after conquering. Surely settlers will want to move into irradiated land and the winds will never blow east towards Tel Aviv!
Fascists aren’t even good at doing fascism, Jesus!
You misunderstand. He’s not trying to do fascism, he’s a member of the evangelical Christian doomsday cult cheering for the apocalypse.
I… would still consider that fascism.
Regardless, I would think even then he’d understand why Israel wouldn’t want to nuke something right next to them. Fuck why not advocate for nuking Iran that at least seems a bit more plausible and just as likely to lead to the end times.
Evangelicals don’t give a damn about Israel or Jews in general, so I don’t think he’s really taking their motivations or longevity into account. They (evangelicals) believe the existence of the nation of Israel and its subsequent total destruction are prerequisites for the Christian apocalypse/rapture. That’s his only goal. I sorta agree that viewing this through a “fascism” lens isn’t really helpful for understanding how people like Lindsey Graham think.
it’s an important distinction, between Christian-Zionism and Israeli-Zionism that seems to be lost or purposely obscured by democrats:
- Israeli-Zionism is settler-colonial and wants to exterminate the indigenous…
- Christian-Zionism wants the entire world to burn in a nuclear Holocaust right after Jesus comes back in a magic Ford SUV and drives all 1200 people at their specific megachurch to heaven, where they can eagerly watch everyone else writhe in agony forever.
imagine forming a coalition with the heavily armed and powerful people who pray for your eternal torment.
I’ve had a couple of frustrating experiences lately trying to explain what a vile, empty mockery of religion Christian Fascists are and to no one’s surprise Europeans who have never dealt with them face to face are unable to accept my explanations and insist that i’m mistaken and there must be hidden depths and human sentiment there.
But Israel doesn’t have nukes :thonk:
Edit: just watched the clip, graham says we should “give them the bombs they need to win this war”
What a vile pig person
Yes they do, but the US government has never acknowledged that fact bc if they did Israel would be subject to penalties under nonproliferation treaties
There’s a true anon episode on it, rogue state
Side note, would they really be subject to ANY penalties?
I keep hearing about these agreements these nations have signed and Never Ever Ever Ever EVER see any consequences of any impact
Oh you stole 100m dollars from your employees? 6.2m dollar fine type head ass shit
What if the samson option involves using nukes on european or american cities out of spite
it’s funny how they tried to make us quake in fear over the threat of “rouge states” (aka North Korea, Iran, once Iraq, libya, now russia) all of them, besides Russia, don’t have the capability of ending civilization and unlike Russia, dont have a policy specifically to do it as a big “fuck you” to the rest of the world if they don’t get their way
i’m seriously, 100% scared deep in my bones israel will do a Samson-option like strike if they undergo a sudden internal collapse, which at this point is far more likely then the U.S. the U.S., while not having this policy, i do believe would absolutely do the same thing which is why i am far more leery about calls for civil war or balkanization because i fear for the rest of the world
but israel keeps me up at night. if the concept of a true “rouge state” to the international order or whatever was real every nation on earth would be forming a coalition to invade and pacify israel and use a massive combined special operations mission to secure the nukes and kill/capature all their political and military leadership. like a joint global U.N. military operation the likes the world has never seen. blockades, deployment of every anti-missile weapon system known to man, total communicaiton blackouts, and possibly even preemptive nuclear decapitation strikes with stealth cruise missiles.
whatever it takes. we unite against this threat.
but instead the west pretends this nation with 300+ secret fission-fusion weapons is moral and rational
sometimes i wonder if there is a more “realist” minority contingent in the U.S. military-political blob that is letting israel do whatever it wants and keeps them placated not out of ideological commitment to zionist but knowing they have a rabid and violent animal on a rusting chain and know they can do nothing to stop it
What do you mean, “what if?” That’s always been the entire point.
Israeli foreign policy is holding the world hostage to demand endless shipments of weapons and support, because they’ll irreparably damage the planet if placed into a losing position.
They don’t have long range missiles. They can’t hit anything outside of europe and the M.E. They’re not ending the world, they’ll just fuck up parts of it.
Here’s a range map for the Jericho IV (YA-5) missile, which entered service in 2019. It’s closely related to the Shavit 2 rocket, which can take an 800kg payload to LEO. The Jericho IV has a “rumored” nuclear strike capable range of 11,500km. Here is a Great Circle range map, showing this 11,500km range centered around Tel Aviv.
Israel also has 5 Dolphin-class submarines, each equipped with a 200 kiloton nuclear warhead with a 1500km range, providing an offshore second-strike capability or which could be used as part of the Samson option.
The entirety of the Israeli nuclear program is considered “rumored” despite hard data on specifications existing, so it’s basically the one and only time where you can assume rumored information is correct.
Source: 2005 Congressional Research Service Missile Survey report and like, constant bragging from Israeli military brass about this.