161 points

They should face The Hague for how bad Teams is. Currently I have the “option” to switch to “Classic Teams” (which needed to be a separate application because fuck-knows-why) via a toggle. When I do, it launches Classic Teams and freezes, requires another 2FA approval, or both. Then, it later closes and auto-updates to “New” Teams and I get to do the whole process again. And New 3DS Plus Teams 2024 ME+ Pro U has stupid floaty notifications that take up too much space and annoy me.

Thank you for listening…

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57 points

Teams also sets itself to autostart with Windows, even if you choose not to, or diabale it from the startup manager, it overrides it upon next launch.

It’s the only software I’ve ever seen doing that crime against humanity.

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32 points

Programs that do that are straight up malware in my opinion.

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13 points

They are malware

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4 points

It doesn’t for me, just turn it off.

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1 point

You can turn it off

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31 points

Iirc support for Classic Teams was dropped in March (or earlier). New Teams is generally less buggy in my experience anyways, and I haven’t yet found functionality its lacking. Not sure why you’re still presented with the option to drop back, as I don’t believe I’ve seen that toggle in a while

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17 points

It’s still supported under VDI environments which is why the toggle still exists at all.

Not the best rollout of a MS product but I give them credit for realizing that they needed to switch the underlying code base completely to be more efficient, and actually committing to it.

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11 points

Oh? It’s not a bastardization of Skype for Business (which in turn was a bastardization of Lync) anymore?

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3 points

Yeah, I figured it was EOL. But look for the option at the top and the toggle is there, in the current version!

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29 points

Oh, don’t worry. They’re ending support for old teams soon. You won’t have a choice anymore.

Not only are new teams notification banners annoying, new teams no longer makes a noise for every single notification, like it used to. I rather have a ding than a banner, especially since I tend to use all of my screen space.

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5 points

New notification, old notification, either way it auto-dismisses the system notification after 5 seconds. Why? I guess they don’t trust the DE to manage notifications properly??

So my colleagues know if they send me a message I’ll get to it when I’ll get to it because I probably will have missed the notification.

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1 point

You can disable the banner, I disabled the banner and the dings on mine and just rely on the little red dot

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1 point

What’s even the difference

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6 points
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Honestly I’ve mostly noticed slight UI changes that are worse. Lmao the program seems to run better overall

Edit: it’s the spacing and location. It just feels like they left a lot of dead space instead of cutting that out. Oh. And the thing I hate. When you click on a conversation now it tunnels your vision to only that conversation.

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17 points

I’ve had to repeatedly switcho “new teams”. The selection isn’t sticky for some reason. It seems like it shouldn’t be that hard to develope a messaging app that does file transfers and meetings but apparently this bloated pile of horseshit proves reason wrong. A second long delay when changing threads? “You’ll use it because corporate says you will…and you’ll LOVE IT”.

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4 points

I had the same issue, you’re starting the wrong app. When you start old teams you get the selection. When you start new teams (with the little turquoise new icon) you don’t get the selection. Change your shortcut :)

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3 points

Ha…guess I’m the asshole. But I still hate teams alright!

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16 points

My favorite part about New Teams is when it kept telling me I was forced to move from Old Teams to New Teams because our IT department was pushing the update. Cut to everyone in IT being confused as fuck because no they fucking weren’t.

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10 points

New 3DS Plus Teams 2024 ME+ Pro U

…& Knuckles?

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7 points

I love the naming convention

Outlook -> Outlook (new)

Teams classic -> Teams (new)

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9 points

And the bloody “new” tag in the task bar icon is driving me nuts.

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3 points

And the fact that the status notification now has an area of roughly 4 pixels.

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6 points

Honestly it’s kind of amazing that microsoft got authentication so wrong.

My circumstance isn’t complicated, yet I seem to be relentlessly have trouble getting access to whatever thing because it’s confused about my account.

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4 points

New Teams is about as successful as New Coke!

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1 point

New 3DS Plus Teams 2024 ME+ Pro U

Wait are you joking or is this real? That is a ridiculous name/version.

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2 points

Sorry, no. I was being facetious.

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103 points

Can Teams please fuck off and take Outlook with it?

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68 points

The only thing worse is New Outlook. They took away all of the power features and a good deal of the customization, and so you are left with something that feels like it was designed for a mobile app while you try to manage thousands of emails.

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37 points

It’s literally their web app put in a Chrome window.

It’s outrageous. The Mac version of Outlook is way better, and it’s native!!

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5 points

Not the first time either. Office2004 Mac was peak the last time I remember not hating using any Office app.

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3 points

Big-time disagree. Been using Windows and Mac versions of Office for over two decades. The Windows version is far superior in pretty much every metric I can think of.

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1 point

For now. That’s also being killed in favor of the web app.

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IT here: you’re all insane. Outlook is a dumpster fire, Outlook for Mac is a slightly prettier dumpster fire. The idea of locally syncing emails in 2024 is laughable, a web browser is exactly where you should view your emails.

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23 points

And they absolutely fucked years and years of security training by fucking with url previews and truncating the front of the url.

What the actual fuck were they thinking?

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10 points

Hadn’t realized that change was in there. What a mess.

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11 points

I made the mistake of trying to mark 900 unread emails as read

do not do that if you’re in a hurry

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8 points

Recently a LOT of my emails with hotmail have been getting blocked at the server level, they arent even reaching my junk mail, which makes troubleshooting why I’m not getting emails a nightmare, ESPECIALLY in this day and age if 2fA

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2 points

New Outlook is just the old Windows Mail application reskinned. The fact that you can have both Outlook and NEW Outlook installed at the same time is weird. Working in IT, its one thing I check when working with end users.

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13 points

*and Exchange Servers

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2 points

I literally have Gmail connected into Outlook at work because of how much better it is than the shitty way that Gmail deals with long threads of emails, emails with attachments, and just finding old emails in general. GSuite in general is just hot trash compared to proper Office.

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4 points

Gsuite workflow is terrible. You can’t copy paste files in drive because fuck you.

Gmail chat takes forever to load. And when it loads, it defaults to search contact. So if in the meantime, you pressed the contact you want already because it takes 5 seconds to load, it goes back to the search contact.

You need to have 5 different tabs to work within the ecosystem.

Google docs is dogshit. At this point, I prefer markdown with a latex converter over Google docs.

No desktop clients for their services.

The Gdrive shared with me vs your drive is terrible.

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66 points

MS being sued for packaging something with windows? Haven’t we seen this before?

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24 points

Yes, I’m sure the penalties will be so high as to teach them a lesson they won’t forget for decades because that’s how good the legal system is in dealing with corporations now.

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16 points

The early 2000s stuff did end up having some significant effects that lasted for decades.

They’ve 100% forgotten all about that or think it won’t happen again in the last few years, though.

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6 points

Well of course not, ever since they got that deal with Uncle Sam they knew they could do anything up to Steve Ballmer kicking a secret service agent in the nuts and stealing the Football. Maybe even including that, won’t know until it happens lol.

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1 point

Nope, this is completely unique

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57 points

the universal hate teams gets warms my heart.

the ubiquitousness of it dumbfounds me though.

fuck teams.

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19 points

When something is both universally hated and almost always chosen above less hated competitors, that’s usually a sign that there’s some kind of market failure. Maybe it’s anticompetitive conduct by the provider (like Microsoft using its market power on Outlook/Exchange to push other services like Teams over its competition), or a principal-agent problem (like the person paying for Teams not actually having to live with most of the shittiness).

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6 points

Maybe it’s anticompetitive conduct by the provider (like Microsoft using its market power on Outlook/Exchange to push other services like Teams over its competition)

That’s exactly what it is. They leveraged their dominance/monopoly in one market to gain a stranglehold on another market. It’s not exactly a new tactic for Microsoft either.

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6 points

They bundle teams with o365. The cost to integrate another messaging client is more than simply adding Teams to your already expensive bundle.

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4 points

It’s as simple as this really. It’s included therefore a subscribing company can just not renew a slack, Zoom, or whatever contract and say “hey we saved money”

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They actually just decoupled teams from o365 in preparation for this exact situation. As of April 30th you no longer get teams with your tenant skus anymore unless you are grandfathered in to the older skus that bundled it.

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And also all of their competition also kinda sucks. So like, Teams is worse enough that if you’re using it every day you’ll hate it but not worse enough that if you use it once or twice you’ll notice.

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3 points

Slack seems great, I’ve had no problems with it

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4 points

Huh, it’s funny, my company uses Webex and I’d probably prefer Teams.

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3 points

It’s ubiquitous because it was added for free to Office 365, so companies would use it instead of its competitors

Microsoft changed that for new customers a couple weeks ago and it’s now a separate subscription

The standard make it free until it’s ubiquitous then start charging for it

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Not trying to simp for TEAMS, but what issues are people having? Every now and then I have to go in and change mic and speakers back to laptop, presumably from some update our IT deployed.

Other than that and wanting it to show on MY screen when I’m transmitting sound, I can’t think of any improvements. Works better than the conference calls we used to have.

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11 points
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how resource heavy and slow for what it is, how notifications break a lot of the time, how obtuse and unintuitive it usually is to do some simple stuff like sharing meetings and how everything thats not an absolute core feature will glitch out 8 times out of 10.

i’m sure some of these were fixed while they broke other stuff, they fuck around with it all the time. im thankfully not being forced to use it for a while right now.

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7 points

To add: how I have “2 unread messages”, but nothing when filtered for unread. My phone will forever have 2 unread messages.

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3 points

We used Teams at the last org I worked at, we rarely had issues. The UI wasn’t bad in my eyes, we had integrated our phone system into teams too. Calling someone on the other side of the country via teams was simple.

Admittedly the service did get worse before I left and there were a couple of Microsoft outages which cut all our text based communications for a day (phone system still worked)

I’m using slack right now but would prefer something self-hosted but that’s well out of the scope of the current mob I’m with.

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4 points

On macOS, with virtual desktops, it steals focus even on the desktop that it is not in! If I pick an empty desktop from Mission Control, then Finder should be the app with focus. J. F! C!! No other app fucks it up this badly. This also means I can never ever use command+tab to go back to the Teams window because it thinks that window is already showing. So every time I need to go back to view Teams, I need to go to Mission Control and go back to the desktop where it is really showing. Fuck! You! Microsoft!

Oh! When typing a message it underlines misspelled words but doesn’t do autocorrect or even suggestions. It just sits there staring at you. So you have to double click the word and retype the whole thing and hope you spell it right this time. J! F! C! Again, no other app integrates with macOS dictionary this poorly.

During screen sharing it puts a control bar across the top center of the screen which blocks 75% of the menu bar of the main running app in full screen. With no way to dismiss it early. I just have to sit there fuming for 300 seconds at the start of every screen share until it goes away.

We use 2FA, and the integration is miserable. It literally never has a clean login. The app always starts with an error banner about some unknown problem and there is a button to take some action. But what you don’t know is that in the background it is doing something for like 300 seconds quietly without telling you and when it is done then it will pop the beginning of 2FA. But also, if you are a damned fool and press that action button, it starts the whole secret process over again. You could probably enter an infinite loop of pressing the button and never being able to log in. And don’t tell me it’s our 2FA system because all the other apps work fine with it.

All I want are badges. This is asynchronous communications. When I reach a pause point I will check Teams for any new messages. But it won’t badge the app icon. So … oh fuck it! Spent too much time on this reply all ready

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No markdown support, emojis are typed with a parenthesis, search is meh, notifications are buggy, spellcheck is broken

Oh and file sharing basically doesn’t work

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2 points

on android, it is the only app I have found that’s not compatible with my keyboard. You read that right. How the hell do you fuck that up?

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42 points

Someone should face jail time for this piece of crap that I can’t opt out of.

And OneDrive as well. That piece of shit installed itself as the default save as location, and after removing it from my system, the save as dialogue now hangs for 20 seconds. And the policy to remove OD as a save location doesn’t work whatsoever.

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