The cops justify needing that because you have an ar15.
Yes, once every person in the USA voluntarily hands in every semi-auto rifle…the cops will decommission the tanks.
Sure they will, because most police forces have used them in situations that require an armored vehicle and aren’t just doing it to cosplay being the gestapo.
They might not sell it, but they probably wouldn’t get funding for buying another one.
This is a bit more obscure than that, but mostly yes.
The real problem is that the army doesn’t want more tanks. They’ve asked congress to stop building armored vehicles. Don’t need money for tanks, want money for R&D.
Congress love building tanks because it falsely creates jobs in their districts. So more tanks. Most of these factories are located in red districts.
Too many tanks and they have to sell them. That’s how police can buy tanks.
Sell all your AR15? Most AR15 owners are in red states. There are direct correlation with voting republicans and owning firearms. So if you decide to sell you AR15 it might indicate you’d switch vote? It’s a stretch but less republicans, more jobs from other types of factories (e.g. Green energy related), less money to build tanks, less armored vehicles being auctioned off to police.
Maybe because of people like you, armed to the teeth for no rational reason whatsoever?
Yes, cops need tanks to beat AR-15s, not because they’re an occupation force that exists to ensure the oligarchy can’t be threatened.
I can ask both. I can even ask if maybe one of the reasons cops have that is that people are more heavily armed?
Exactly. One of the big outcries to upgrade police weaponry started with the North Hollywood shootout.
Boy, if I was a school shooter, I’d hate to see this thing parked up outside at a safe distance with the engine off.
I think it was in California in the 90s that some guys tried to rob a bank, but they had full body armour and helmets, and were armed with assault rifles and high capacity magazines. The cops were useless against them as all they had were squad cars, pistols, and a few shotguns. It was a huge wake up call for police forces across America and it didn’t take long for them to start acquiring better equipment.
If you don’t like the militarization of your police, then you need to do something about the militarization of your general populace.
This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read on the internet. Sure give up all your rights as a citizen based on one (probably fake, but either way) story about a single supposed situation where someone outgunned the police
Fucking bootlicker
I think having some higher power weapons for law enforcement in case it ever comes to that is (while related) a different problem than police militarization. I think the best bet would to be have specialized units for those extreme cases they could reasonably deploy in a timely/effective manner. Every cop having access to surplus military gear is a huge problem and I wish weren’t to a point where having specific units was even a necessity.
What point are you trying to draw, here?
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Taking reliable existing semi-automatic firearms and modifying to fully automatic still would not be feasible for these dunces if they were starting out from scratch (at least not with any semblance of reliability from an engineer’s standpoint). Finally, should be noted that there’s little reason the outcome would’ve been different had they been semi-automatic, considering ammunition waste and less attention to accuracy. If their goals were that of the Aurora shooter, then that would be different.
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“home made body armor” implies they made it from scratch. No. They used several vests worth of manufactured body armor to make full body armor.
What point are you trying to draw, here?
None, I linked the wiki entry for the person who “remembered there was an incident” because I remembered the incident.
What point are you trying ro draw here?
Thnx for the link. Didn’t know their body armour was home made. That’s some pretty good dedication to one’s trade. Too bad they couldn’t have put that talent into something constructive.
illegally modified
So let’s make more things illegal because it will fix everything for sure
You can now prosecute people doing harm with new charges. I don’t know why that isn’t significant. Why does every action have to “fix everything?”
Not sure what has your panties in a wad over that.
The converted rifles in that crime were not ATF Form 2 weapons, so calling them “illegaly modified” is a true and factual statement.
Zero civilians need AR15s unless they’re planning a mass shooting.
Or a revolution ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
(agreed we’re not there but that’s another use of civilians owning warfare weapons)
yeah it would be like a group of settlers going up against the greatest army in the world and somehow winning. absolutely no way that ever happens, or has ever happened, to my knowledge twice at least
What a dummy take. “You’re helpless against missiles and jets, so why fight back in the first place”
That’s exactly the argument that conservatives always give for gun ownership. But like, how would they possibly overrun the largest military in the world with their personal arsenals?
Maybe they could take a city but I can’t see it being a long lasting victory.
Just look at how well the largest military in the world held onto Afghanistan.
The biggest military in the world seems to have trouble with insurgents. See Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.
If anything, the US’s engagements in Vietnam and, more recently, the Middle East have shown that eradicating an insurgent force is incredibly difficult, to the point of being almost impossible. On top of that, there are weapons used during the GWOT that wouldn’t (shouldn’t(?)) Be used against American citizens, unless their goal is to be rulers of the ashes. On top of that, there are plenty of American Servicemembers that would straight up refuse to attack American citizens, and would potentially aid the insurgency with things like vehicles and ammo.
Add on top of that the extensive gun culture and sheer number of veterans in the general US population and I’d say they have a fighting chance.
I say this all as a former military intelligence analyst myself.
Insurgent forces are always scary. They know where to hide and they get creative with weaponry. This isn’t the revolutionary war with people marching side by side taking shots at the other side.
Besides, that’s assuming the military is 100% cohesive in war operations inside this country and against other Americans.
Oh, and ignoring that it might just be the conservatives in power that would be the aggressor and the rest defending themselves from fascists.
I’ve got no horse in this race, but I’ll tell you, the amount of time people spend fixating on AR-15s, when rifles in general (including AR-15s) are only responsible for 3% of gun deaths…it really doesn’t give the impression that people are in command of the facts. And it doesn’t seem like pretty much any characteristic of a gun being effective for a mass shooting doesn’t also carry over to the gun being effective for self-defense against more than a single person. Or even a single person, for that matter. I feel like people just kind of dug their trenches on this one and nobody’s really thinking too hard about it.
