Chinese police hunting international corruption targets were allowed into Australia by the federal police and subsequently escorted a woman back to China for trial, in a major breach of Chinese-Australian police protocols.

The revelations, contained in Monday night’s Four Corners program about a former Chinese spy, prompted a sharp rebuke from federal politicians who are concerned the act may have undermined Australia’s national security.

The Chinese police were permitted to enter Australia in 2019 to talk with a 59-year-old Chinese-born Australian resident.

The woman was targeted under a Chinese Communist Party (CCP) anti-corruption drive called Operation Fox Hunt, which relies on police from the Ministry of Public Security (MPS) to make arrests.

Her case is one of 283 cases documented by an international NGO, Safeguard Defenders, in its recent report, Chasing Fox Hunt.

While Fox Hunt is described by the CCP as targeting “economic criminals”, human rights groups have said it is also used to silence dissidents and abduct people around the world.

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Can’t speak for Australians, but as a Canadian who expects that the same could happen here - why the fuck are our governments so apathetic about this shit?.

Stand up for the people trusting you. Be MAD. Stop doing it if you’re also doing it.

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Even the article is apathetic… they write “escorted” her back to China, when it’d actually be “kidnapped” or “abducted”…?

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In the UK there was a peaceful protester and the Chinese dragged him into the embassy grounds and beat him in front of the public. They have diplomatic immunity.

Nothing was done obviously.

No wonder China and Russia shit over us and act like we are weak. We are. We proved it multiple times.

Fuck the West is shadow of what it once was.

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I think this is what molotov cocktails were made for.

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Might want to look up the etymology. Molotovs tended to be aimed at Western partisans.

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Yeah, it’s not like western governments, “intelligence” agencies or police would ever beat protesters, persecute political dissidents, murder civilians, torture suspects in designated black sites, ally with dictatorships who torture and murder journalists with bone saws, overthrow democratically elected governments, or engage in any behavior that is horrifically anti-democratic or anti-human rights.

That time when the west was historically great was a lie. We were only better than fascism or communism, but our ruling class, the politicians they own, and their corporations have always engaged in horrific shit. Ours just hide behind the media and a liability shield of a dozen LLC’s, or do it hidden behind closed doors — unless you’re a palestinian, protester, communist, or a dozen other groups who are okay to oppress publicly at any given time.

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Yeah and everyone knows: Whataboutisms are a really great way to argue your point!

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the Chinese dragged him into the embassy grounds and beat him in front of the public

Uh… any link on that? I’m not finding this reference anywhere.

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I cannot not read this in Cave Johnson’s voice.

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I didn’t read it that way the first time, but yep. J. K. Simmons energy all over that comment.

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Devil’s Advocacy:

The why is really really simple. The actions taken in result have the potential to cause more harm than help. Tariffs don’t work, censureship is useless, and war is… yeah. They can get up on stage and shout about how angry they are but it means fuck all. The important part is how WE deal with it. Legislature starts from the grass roots level, political activism and engagement can help make new laws that expressly do not allow extradition by the CCP and other adversarial nations, or in any way allow an arm of the CCP to search for or request information on any individuals.

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“Escort back to China” sure is a weird way of saying they kidnapped her.

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Traditionally, countries will have extradition agreements that facilitate arrest of criminals in flight.

Thanks to break down in relations between China and Western states, it has become increasingly common for Chinese embezzlers and con-artists to flee abroad with cash assets in hopes of evading arrest.

Of course, this works both ways with Australian felony suspects hiding in China to the same effect.

In 2017, the Turnbull government abruptly withdrew from parliament a proposed Chinese extradition treaty following significant backbench discontent.

Since then, the Australian government has resorted to various agreements with MPS and other Chinese security agencies as a means of cooperating with China on criminal matters.

So this becomes an end run for both countries to seek “voluntary” extradition, primarily by threatening potential accomplices and family property in the original country.

And it exists for good reason. You generally don’t want your country to become a haven for fraudsters because they’ll keep committing fraud in their new country.

Yvette Wang, accused of being an accomplice of exiled and indicted Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui, pleaded guilty in New York last week to defrauding many investors out of over $1 billion in “a complex scheme,” prosecutors said.

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Fraud in China has far worse consequences than fraud in Australia. Even if I were to be arrested, I’d prefer it to happen in Australia where I can get off with a slap on the wrist.

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Even if I were to be arrested, I’d prefer it to happen in Australia

https://nit.com.au/05-02-2024/9636/roebourne-regional-prison-cells-still-without-air-conditioning-in-extreme-heat

On Monday, as the temperature soared to 43 C in Roebourne, the Service revealed the “distressing outcome” is that prisoners are still living in cells without air-conditioning, in “conditions that could prove fatal from heat stress or heat stroke”.

Enjoy yourself, I guess.

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Thanks. That’s what I needed to know.

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Ok so now we will not allow Chinese police into Australia right?

insert Anakin and Padme meme

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China being China, this shit has been going on for decades

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I can’t see how anyone involved with allowing this isn’t complicit.
What possible reason did the police of a foreign nation need to be physically there for, other than physically removing someone?

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Ms Wang’s whereabouts are unknown. She may still be in China or she may have faced trial and since returned to Australia, as have some of the 16 Australian-based Fox Hunt targets who returned to China since 2014 to face trials there.

It looks like it’s been catch-and-release once the Chinese embezzler returns enough stolen money.

As criminal prosection goes, that’s incredibly cushy. Far nicer than what a drug importer would expect.

And it appears to be reciprocal, as Australians are known to flee to China to evade arrest as well.

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But isn’t punishment for embezzlement in China death? Ohh I just did a cursory search and it’s only for serious cases.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/05/china-sentences-top-banker-to-death-for-corruption-and-bigamy

Lai Xiaomin, previously chairman of one of China’s “big four” state-controlled asset management firms, China Huarong Asset Management Co, had pleaded guilty to the dozens of charges. He had been accused of soliciting almost 1.79bn yuan ($276.7m) in bribes over 10 years, a period when he was also acting as a regulator.

A high ranking state official who extorted over a quarter billion dollars got the death penalty.

The death sentence for Lai, in one of China’s biggest financial crime cases, was handed down without a two-year reprieve – a commonly added caveat that allows death sentences to be commuted to 25 years, or life in prison after two years.

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