172 points

Hot take: corporatism and infotainment. You control money and information, you control the world.

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142 points

Capitalism

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Corporatism=literally capitalism

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Major media bodies are owned by corporations or the state, and the state is also owned by corporations, so they functionally control all of it. QED Socialism or barbarism.

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Nope education is the downfall. Teach critical thinking well and you won’t have such a malleable idiotic population that buys into either of those.

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41 points

That’s maybe a part, but not the whole story.

Your (and your parents’, and your peers’) real and perceived economic circumstances and opportunities have a lot to do with what you’ll value and prioritize as an adult - how invested and loyal you’ll be in society. Every poor person we generate due to greedy decisions has a very high likelihood of being a destructive force back to us.

Now consider how many poor people were generated by black slavery, segregation, and explicit racism in America, and how, in a society, we all just swim around in the same trauma soup, deflecting pain towards one another.

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Imo greed is an lack of education. As education is ideally schooling +life experience. Part of that critical thinking section needs to be taught by experience and society in the us at least didn’t give anyone enough time to see the world before deciding what to do, how to live and what kind of person you want to be.

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as an adult

That’s an interesting way to frame things.

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Now consider how many poor people were generated by black slavery, segregation, and explicit racism in America, and how, in a society, we all just swim around in the same trauma soup, deflecting pain towards one another.

That’s a nice thought 😳

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Education was destroyed by the same people who forced corporate news down our throats.

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Correct, but one had to go before the other.

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Almost none of my well educated professional-managerial class peers have developed class consciousness. They seem to be even more class clueless than blue & pink collar workers.

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23 points

It’s literally just capitalism, Marx called this alienation under capital

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5 points

Pitchshifter warned us.

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Man I used to have the dopest pitchshifter wife beater when I was 18

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I’m safe in the knowledge that we’ll all be saved.

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? By who?

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The 90s industrial/nu metal band?

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Industrial then switched genres to Industrial Punk, but yeah.

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This is the coldest take on Lemmy. Not that it’s wrong, though.

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I wonder if it has anything to do with the system we’ve built to buy and sell products, owning, trading and hoarding capital? No, that can’t be it…

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The constant revamping of the production process, the uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, and the everlasting uncertainty and agitation of society distinguish the bourgeois era from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relationships, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away. All new-formed relationships become outdated before they can solidify. All that is fixed melts into air, all that is sacred is profaned, and people are at last compelled to face with sober senses their real conditions of life, and thier relations with each other.

-Some guy, in some manifesto, in 1848

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126 points

The question “Where did we go wrong?” being asked on 4chan in /b/ is funny to me.

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18 points

Cue John Travolta looking around gif

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This was my feeling as well. Hey Anon, go look in the fuckin’ mirror if you want to know where we went wrong.

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105 points

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Damn straight, homie stumbled upon alienation and commodity fetishism all at once

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Capitalism is tearing me apart Lenin!

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100 points

Don’t vote Conservative

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Next year will mark my 16th year voting for democrats, all they do is kick the can and move the line. While I don’t think there is anything wrong with saying don’t vote conservative, I do think it’s a bit like saying “CLOSE YOUR WINDOWS” when a tornado is coming. We’re screwed regardless of who we vote for, the only thing that changes is the rate at which we’re screwed; that is why Anon is sick of life.

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Democrats are also conservatives. If you allow the oligarchs and aristocrats to choose who represents you then they will always choose candidates who rule in their interest. You can’t change this system by playing within the ruleset you’re given. Democratic power can only ever be wielded by unions of workers and communes of citizens. Those organizations combine and concentrate the power of regular people and can effectively wield this against the ruling class.

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It’s not even a matter of “Democrat vs Republican” - do you know what they all have in common? They’re all part of the same ruling class you mentioned, and they’re all also helping the corporate owners of America push their agendas.

Like… it’s pretty damn blatant who the GOP are rooting for when you consider what rich asshats like Elongated Muskrat want, and then look at some of the policies they passed and go “oh shit.”

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The FPTP voting system means everyone is held hostage voting for the party they hate the least. If you vote for a third party you just make it more likely the party you hate most will win because the vote is split.

Obviously things still wouldn’t be perfect with a proportional voting system but I think it would take some power away from capitalist oligarchs because we will be able to vote for a party we like without just making the fascists more likely to win. The issue is the only two parties you can realistically vote for are highly incentivised to not change the voting system because they will lose a lot of the power they have.

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Or how about everyone who wants to vote 3rd party, votes 3rd party?

I know it’s a little different because my country has proportional voting system, but the first two elections the party I vote for was below the limit to be in a parliament. I still voted for them as did others and now it’s one of the stronger parties.

If everyone who doesn’t like both the parties starts voting 3rd party, you have a chance.

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The Dems can’t do anything without a majority. Give them a true majority where Sinema and Man Chin can’t hold things up. Then stand the fuck back.

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Give the Democrats a 4 person majority then 5 conservative Democrats will Hum and Haw about fiscal responsibility to their voters.

It is really up to hard progressives to get in and vote as a block to keep the Dems from passing watered down policy by forcing them to earn the blocks vote with real policies the public already want.

Medicare for all, free college, 20 dollar minimum wage and more all all supported by way more than 50 percent of the country.

The Dems want to lose these fights for their donors they need to be forced to do their job against their donors wishes.

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Well, at least you’ve got a heads-up and some choice on how fast you get screwed.

We just got a guy we didnt choose who just suddenly and royally f🇷🇺ks everyone over every few years or so

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8 points

Dont vote Neo-Liberal.

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2 points

America is the world.

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Lots of places have conservatives for which one should not vote

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Can say the same for progressives! They progressed us so far, we ended up going backwards!

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Ohh that would almost be clever if it weren’t conservatives dragging the world through their unga bunga bullshit.

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We started with hating the gays, then we accepted gays, now we hate straights. See, backwards. “Conservitves”, have been progressing in their own direction, which is not actually conservative but a branch of liberalism that focuses on things like anti abortion and more government control over that as well as border control and anti lgbt. One side of liberalism wants more government control over social things, the other wants government control over economic and state things. By things I mean…whatever those retards are bickering about ATM I’m not sure, thats just my own conclusion.

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Progressive to me means fair wages, medicare for all, tackling climate change, defending civil rights, protecting against authoritarianism, tackling the wage gap, making government work for all people, etc.

Conservative means insurrection, praising authoritarianism, banning books, attacking public education, idolizing the ultra wealthy, culture wars, gerrymandering, preventing fair elections, etc.

I know what I prefer.

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Can you? Examples, please.

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