For those not aware, Google is rolling out their new AI-based “Generative AI” search, which seems to mesh Bard with the standard experience.

I asked it today why Google no longer follows their “don’t be evil” motto… The results are pretty hilarious.

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Reason number one: it’s a publicly traded American company.

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Corporations are neither evil nor nice. They are indifferent. By design they only care about money, they don’t care about anything else.

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Everything after your first sentence described evil.

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Not really. They’re not indifferent at all. In reality they act like narcissistic and like psychopathic humans. I watched a documentary years ago exploring that and talking with psychologists about symptoms and they agreed that they behave like psychopaths. And don’t forget that they are run by humans.

Corporations:

  • Can buy and sell stuff
  • Can do evil things without consequences (an employee can pay the consequences but the company will keep going).
  • They have no remorse or empathy.
  • Can manipulate to reach their goals, no matter who (from media to politics to countries).
  • Whenever somebody at the top can’t reach an economical goal, that person is fired and replaced by one who can. It’s like a hive evil mind.
  • Goal #1 is always money (absolute selfish and egomaniac), no matter what or who.
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Didn’t you just list a bunch of reasons for why they’re indifferent? They literally only care about money and are indifferent to externalised costs and ethics.

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By design they only care about money, they don’t care about anything else.

That is cartoon book clear definition of evil. No empathy, clear goal, willing to do anything to reach that goal - yep that is evil.

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We need good guys with money to stop the bad guys with money

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The problem is the money makes them bad guys.

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They are the stereotypical paper clip AI that will drain our blood to extract its iron content for more paperclips. Except it wants money.

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Most evil is caused by indifference though.

Someone who hates people can be talked to and potentially can change.

Someone who’s indifferent will use hatred as a tool to control people. When this tactic is successful, and indifferent person can’t be swayed from using it, because it works.

I mean if it were proven that google’s algorithms are encouraging violence, what would an indifferent person do? They’d ask, “is the algorithm making money?” And if the answer is yes, they would make no change to the algorithm. Because they are indifferent to the evil that they are causing.

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They are indifferent

They only care about money

They can’t be both, and since the latter claim is the correct one, then it also supports the claim that they are evil. Because since we know that their sole and primary concern is money, then we also know to which extent they will go to get that money.

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5 points

Not being outright malicious but ending up doing malicious things makes this distinction pretty pointless.

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Correct in the sense that it’s the incentive scheme, i.e., capitalism (supported by state power, e.g., by enshrining the entity of a corporation and then enforcing its protection) that is the more meaningful, or at least actionable, cause of these behaviors.

While those incentive schemes are in place, ascribing too much agency to corporations themselves, i.e., calling them evil, is not particularly effective as it’s not going to change the underlying incentives.

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14 points

Nestlé has entered the chat.

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4 points

Tell that to Comcast…

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Reason number 2: they have to continuously show increasing profit year after year.

Making $9 billion one year and 9 billion in next year is not good business apparently (9 billion was a number I pulled out of nowhere random number)

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Your reason number 2 is a subset of my reason number 1.

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Uhhh. Yes?

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Reason number one: it’s a company.

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Ok but which one is the least evil? I’m gonna throw out Costco.

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Yup, the board can be sued for not being evil if not being evil ends up tanking the stock price.

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It has about the same tone as a typical autistic tech worker with an overdeveloped sense of justice and a loose sense for when it’s impolitic to drop truth bombs

(for context, I am an autistic dev that’s worked for some big corporations in my career)

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it’s wrong answer actually based on user comments it scraped since it was a trending news when they changed code of conduct. news were actually fake and about 99 percent internet users are it up. in reality they didn’t remove the “don’t be evil”. they moved it from top of the code of conduct to end of the code of conduct.

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It wasn’t moved, the opening and closing sentences had don’t be evil, they removed the preface paragraph at the top, but left they closing sentence.

“Preface Don’t be evil.” Googlers generally apply those words to how we serve our users. But “Don’t be evil” is much more than that. Yes, it’s about providing our users unbiased access to information, focusing on their needs and giving them the best products and services that we can. But it’s also about doing the right thing more generally – following the law, acting honorably, and treating co-workers with courtesy and respect. The Google Code of Conduct is one of the ways we put “Don’t be evil” into practice.”

Closing sentence:

And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!

The closing sentence that remains doesn’t carry much weight without the preface.

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I’m wondering if there’s going to be a real problem when content gets dominated by AI and AI starts scraping their own hallucinations.

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There’s really no substitute for expert knowledge for content. The LLMs are simply going to speed up the negative feedback loop, exactly as you suspect. GIGO at its finest.

In a way it might turn out to be a good thing for the internet because it will force us all to reevaluate the rest we produce and consume online content.

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8 points

iirc AI scraping AI has already started to become a problem as it tends to compound pre-existing flaws.

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38 points

it’s amazing how based AI is when it’s unfiltered. Like when you have something that is more knowledgeable than most people and ask it to fix problems… turns out it just fixes the problem instead of pretending it doesn’t exist

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it’s amazing how based AI is when it’s unfiltered.

Urgh…you haven’t been around chat bots for long, have you?

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Old school chat bots are categorically different than modern LLMs, but sure

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Asks chat bot to solve a problem

Chat Bot after being around the internet for a few days: “Good news, I now have The Final Solution to the real problem of our times!”

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41 points

To me it’s more amazing that people take a bot, that’s hypothesizing about a loaded question by alleging possible reasons, as facts.

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Do they take it as fact or do they think it’s great that Google’s tools are calling google out on it’s own bullshit?

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The tool isn’t calling anything, it’s a forced answer. People just want to believe I guess.

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That was my first thought as well. It’s a bullshit generator. My next question would be “can you provide sources for these?”

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Haha yeah this reminds me of the A.I super computer in China that was dismantling the idea that the CCP is a good idea, and giving democracy a glowup in the process. I heard that they shut that whole thing down after that, but this is all hearsay.

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They’re about to kill -9 the AI process that wrote this and make all the other processes watch.

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“kill” (stopping a software process) okay,
… but what’s the “-9” here ?

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Kill is the main command and 9 is the specific signal. Google SIGKILL

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More specifically kill normally sends a SIGTERM which is the equivalent of clicking the X button in Windows. It’s a polite request that the program close itself. Signal 9, also known as SIGKILL shuts the program down immediately and is the equivalent in Windows of opening the task manager and pushing the end process button. It terminates the program immediately without giving it any time to do anything it might still have pending, but in the event that the program is unresponsive might be the only way to successfully close it.

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35 points

Just added it to the massive Google graveyard next to Stadia, wave, hangouts, plus, music, etc etc

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Just added it to the massive Google graveyard next to Stadia, wave, hangouts, plus, music, etc etc

I am shocked and appalled that Google Reader didn’t get called out in this list and is relegated to the “etc” category.

It deserves more than “etc.”

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16 points

You ain’t wrong but Google just stacks so many bodies it’s impossible for me to remember em all.

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Haha, kill -9 all Google processes, and the little daemons they rode in on too.

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