President Volodymyr Zelensky believes that Ukraine’s partners “are afraid of Russia losing the war” and would like Kyiv “to win in such a way that Russia does not lose,” Zelensky said in a meeting with journalists attended by the Kyiv Independent.

Kyiv’s allies “fear” Russia’s loss in the war against Ukraine because it would involve “unpredictable geopolitics,” according to Zelensky. “I don’t think it works that way. For Ukraine to win, we need to be given everything with which one can win,” he said.

His statement came on May 16 amid Russia’s large-scale offensive in Kharkiv Oblast and ongoing heavy battles further east. In a week, Russian troops managed to advance as far as 10 kilometers in the northern part of Kharkiv Oblast, according to Zelensky.

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This is true. Russia saber rattling about using nuclear weapons, doesn’t mean much. Putin knows this would not lead to victory and likely would end up with him losing power and likely life.

The scary time is what he will do when he will see his power slipping. Thankfully in 1992 Gorbachev managed to handle it peacefully. Hopefully when it happens it will end up similarly.

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The west is legit afraid of Russia’s collapse because once again someone will have to bail Russia out and it’ll either be another 1988 mess or a new toy for China.

What will happen to Russia once it’s fully in “war economy” and loses the war?

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The west is legit afraid of Russia’s collapse because once again someone will have to bail Russia out

Yeah… that’s not what happened at all. What happened was the Western capitalist neocolonial plundering of the post-Soviet states through neoliberal shock therapy. And that’s why the US especially hates Putin: he kicked the plunderers out of Russia, interrupting their plundering.

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Uh huh. Sure. He sure swapped those “plunderers” for his buddies so they could all buy billion dollar yachts.

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That’s not how Russian oligarchs originally became oligarchs. They did it the same way it’s always done in neolocolonized countries: by being compradors to predatory foreign states and capitalists.

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Removed, trolling.

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Removed, civility.

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Ukraine is already beaten. This is nonsense.

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It’s been two years, mate. If Russia hasn’t won yet, that means they can’t.

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That’s a poor analysis and untrue. Ukraine doesn’t have the soldiers to defend their positions anymore. They will not be able to stop the Russian advance. You’ll see soon enough. How many Ukrainians need to die still?

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Z or GOP?

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Exactly. It’s weird that people don’t get this.

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It’s true, and they’re not wrong, nuclear Yugoslavia would be scary. Unfortunately I don’t think there’s an alternative, Putin rang a bell that can’t be un-rung.

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when they decided to violate the Budapest Memorandum everything went out the door, including russia’s future. it’s going to be very, very hard to ever get back to the economic or industrial positions they occupied previously.

their people will suffer, and the only way it will end is if they hang putin from a light pole.

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Unfortunately even that wouldn’t solve it. There is no successor. This is on purpose so there’s no motive to hang Putin from a light pole. If he goes, it’s nuclear-armed Yugoslavia, or at least musical chairs coups, because there’s so many people with an equally legitimate claim to the throne.

Short of time travel there’s no obvious way to keep things normal. The “lose nicely” thing is basically fueled by wishful thinking that maybe, if the West is nice and measured enough, we’ll get lucky. (Which you could argue is what got us here)

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oh well, guess we should all roll over and just let putin fuck everyone right?

NAH. I’d rather go out fighting.

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What economic positions did they occupy, exactly? All they had were raw resources - coal, oil, gas, and maybe wheat. They can’t produce anything else of value.

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resource extraction for sure. some tourism? but resource extraction was the vast bulk.

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Yugoslavia is coming back? Hot damn the Balkans are gonna get together to kick all our asses led by zombie Tito. We deserve it.

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It’s not what we expected, but everyone will agree geopolitics is much improved. This time, he not only smokes in the white house, but has an arm fall off somewhere unfortunate. /s

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Does that mean that Czechoslovakia will also reform? Cause I really don’t think that would be a good idea…

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Slovakia and Prague will be joined back together when the EU gets more federal due to the resource wars. No need to rush it.

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Maybe it is all a plot by Bosnia to have (meaningful amount) of direct sea access.

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