Brought to you by the Department of Erasing History.

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Not surprising. They archive information that powerful people would rather we forget.

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Not surprising. They archive information that powerful people would rather we forget monetise.

FTFY

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It’s both. I’m sure Puff Daddy, and R Kelly would rather we forget all the horrible things they’ve done rather than make money off of it. At the same time the NYTimes and the Atlantic would love to make money off their articles about those two people.

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That literally has nothing to do with archive.org

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I keep seeing people reference diddy did something bad, without mentioning what he did…

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i actually doubt that. i bet of they could make money off of it woth no repercussions they would not give a single fuck.

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So we’re accusing P.Diddy and R. Kelley of DDOSing the Internet Archive, then?

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10 points

Exactly. We’re allowed to know based on what we can afford to know.

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I doubt this has to do with “powerful people”. A DDOS attack does not remove anything from the net, but only makes it temporarily hard to reach.

There are firms that specialize in suppressing information on the net. They use SEO tricks to get sites down-ranked, as well as (potentially fraudulent) copyright and GDPR request.

There must be any number of “little guys” who hate the Internet Archive. They scrape copyrighted stuff and personal data “without consent” and even disregard robots.txt. Lemmy is full of people who think that people should go to jail for that sort of thing.

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22 points

Lots of grand conspiracy theories in this thread when, in the end, it’s probably some bored script kiddy

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I doubt it. I’d sooner think it’s a corporation or state actor.

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Is it still something you can do to big sites the way people did back in the 2000’s?

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Oh that’s true. I’ve seen a lot of cancel/call-out documents archived on IA, some of which were directed at children or had false accusations on them. It would be funny but not that surprising if all of this was over obscure Twitter drama.

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That’s one of the problems with archiving everything. I lean in favor of the IA, but there are still issues.

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Can you elaborate on the last part?

TBH I can understand that it’s a problem for people who aren’t expecting it. If they disregard instructions not to index things then that’s also a problem. The only real way to prevent scrapers from replicating content is to place it behind a registration wall.

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Yeah man, THEY want to take down the information so they can control it, man…

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…did I just find a time traveler from the 1950s??? It’s been pretty well established since the 1970s that the government CONSTANTLY lies and witholds information. Or did we ever find those WMDs in iraq? And maybe Carter was the one who freed the hostages? And maybe Reagan wasn’t selling weapons to banned countries? Whats a watergate? It sure would be crazy to get a blowjob in the white house,. Too bad nobody ever has, or ever will. Hell, even during the opening stages of covid, until Biden got elected, trump was trying to say covid was a hoax that would be gone by April. Then May. Then it didn’t matter. Then it was a hoax, until Biden was elected.

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And THEY are attacking the IA to prevent it…? Otherwise what does it have to do with anything here?

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I was briefly able to get to https://archive.org/donate - I’m going to kick them a few bucks and recommend anyone else who can afford to also do so.

There’s also this, copied verbatim from the site:

Other ways to donate Mail your donation to:
Internet Archive
C/O Philanthropy Department
300 Funston Avenue
San Francisco, CA  94118-2116

In order to ensure you receive an acknowledgement of your gift as quickly as possible, please include an email address with your mailed donation. We regret that we cannot accept cash or check donations in currencies other than USD.

Stock or Wire Transfer:
If you would like to make a stock or wire transfer gift, please contact us at donations@archive.org

I say we go full Streisand effect on whatever dickhead is trying to censor them.

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What I like about Lemmy is, I can see not only score, but also up AND downvotes. On reddit, I can see the score. On Lemmy, If I see you have a score 7, I can also see you have 10 upvotes and 3 downvotes. 10-3=7, and I can get a better idea if a comment is controversial, or popular.

Your post, that I’m replying to has 69 (nice) upvotes, and zero downvotes. THIS IS HOW IT MUST STAY!!!

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Reddit used to show downvotes, sort by controversial, and hide by variable net downvote totals.

Then someone in admin decided it wasn’t good for business, so all the features got phased out.

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Reddit has stopped being a good guy a long time ago.

RIP Aaron Swartz

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Boost doesn’t do this sadly

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Unless it’s a setting I missed, same with Voyager.

Edit: I am as dumb as a bag of rocks. Couple comments down the chain and someone pointed out it’s a feature on Voyager.

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I’m not seeing it in Sync for Lemmy either

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Which client? Voyager doesn’t show this AFAIK

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Settings > Appearance > Other (at the bottom) > Display Votes

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It’s in the settings.

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Reddit also has vote fuzzing where you can get the number of votes, but it’s always manipulated for some reason.

I don’t understand the point, and tbh it’s a serious case of social media mind fuckery. It’s a real problem for anyone who creates an incredibly specific subreddit for use by a group and then everyone is left wondering who keeps downvoting them. That can have real life consequences for anyone who doesn’t understand what is happening.

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@dogsnest Thanks for the heads up.

OP thanks for posting this.

Donated what little I could. Free access to information is absolutely one of the most important things we as a collective can support.

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As someone who doesn’t have head above water, and has no financial room to donate even a penny, I feel bad. But I can at least thank YOU for donating. So thanks!

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Nobody (worth caring about) would look down on you for not being in a situation to donate.

Besides, there are lots of ways to help that don’t cost money, like telling people who do have money that they can donate to the internet archive. Equally valid effort.

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the best thing you can do is to spread word and knowledge.

There are likely other people out there that don’t already know of the utility of IA.

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204 points

What kind of dick smack attacks the internet archive!!!

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People that dont want their history revealed

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Don’t they honour deletion requests

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Yes but I believe the requests themselves are actually publicly available knowledge.

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I think it depends on the circumstances. I work for a publisher and submitted a request for one of my clients copyrighted books to be removed from the archive, and they took it down the same day.

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I don’t think so, reading their terms.

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4 points

No idea. Hope not

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52 points

The same people that harass librarians and burn books en masse, is my first guess.

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Gimme an M !!!

“M” !!!

Gimme an A !!!

A !!!

Gimme a G !!

G

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20 points

Magneto!

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6 points

Copyright holders.

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181 points

Why out of all sites why internet archive

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113 points

Someone wanted to erase history.

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Luckily non of the data was deleted

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It might be that someone wanted to change something that was on a website before the archive could get to it too.

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Well they made a bad job of it because you can’t do that with a DDOS attack. Basically it’s the same as picketing the entrance to a building. All you need is a lot of people anyone can do it at any time.

Actually entering the building and manipulating contents it holds is much more difficult, as then you actually have to engage with the building security.

A DDOS attack can never delete data.

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A DDOS alone cannot delete data, but like your picketing analogy, if you can get in first, the picketing will keep out anyone looking to stop your interference.

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Modification of history is one of the most common tools of dictators

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But they have back up to the entire thing am pretty sure any change would be detectable if a dictator is behind this then he’s extremely stupid

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If the internet archive goes offline we can just view a cached version of it at the internet archi OH NO!

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They’re storing proof of my fuck up which I fixed but if anyone looks it up I’m cooked

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Let’s hear it.

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There

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140 points

I very rarely go to the internet archive, but the moment I needed to get a safe copy of very old software, shitty people decided to DDOS it. shitty humans. find better hobbies losers

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I read “find better hobbies” as find better horsies

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