If you participate in any sort of a support for Palestine group/organization/protest, please do not tolerate antisemites, deny them whatever it is they want the moment you see them. They are only going to create future problems, possibly take over whatever you’re doing and make you, who have done nothing wrong, look bad. Paradox of tolerance!
Likewise if you look to support Jewish people who are experiencing antisemitism, don’t tolerate the “nuke Gaza” types…
Nah. Embrace hatred for people who are cruel to animals.
I think most people can separate Jewish people from genocide from the country of Israel.
The only people confusing the issue want to make it an issue. Quashing pro-Palestine protests claiming they’re anti-Semitic when they’re not. Questioning the country of Israel’s actions is anti-Semitic when it’s not.
The only people confusing the issue want to make it an issue.
This is key.
There are people who are anti-Semitic, and there are people who are islamophobic, and those people all view the opposition as sub-human. They will don’t want peace because they want to win.
And then there are the people who benefit from the conflict, and will stoke the fires on both sides. They don’t care who wins, who dies, who suffers, because while there is violence and death, they can benefit themselves.
Any progressive engaged in a discussion needs to recognize whether they are talking to a zealot or a profiteer. The former might be reasoned with. Supporters of Israel or Hamas might be shown the error in their thought process.
I feel like you are overestimating most people
Attacking Jewish people, vandalizing stores because they owners are Jewish. And calling to eradicate Israel from existence are antisemitic
The majority of hate crimes near me target Jewish people. I don’t believe that shooting at the Jewish school the other day was hate motivated because it happened in the middle of the night, I think someone just missed and hit the school. So if numbers include that then it’s obviously misleading
Pretending people calling it out are only the people in your 2nd paragraph would put you in the “fake progressive” group from the OP
You’re conflating hate crimes with the political stances people are taking in reference to Israel’s actions in Gaza.
We are not talking about the same thing.
Well, what political stances do you think the people committing the hate crimes have? You’re right to point out that most of the people protesting Israel’s actions are not violent or necessarily antisemitic. But the post your responding to is highlighting that it IS happening. Antisemitism existed before this and it’d be foolish to act like those people wouldn’t be the first people to jump on an anti-Israel political movement. So if you’re interested in keeping the heart of this political movement untainted by antisemitism, then you’d do well to acknowledge its presence.
You are being dismissive of people who are against antisemitism because “they couldn’t possibly be talking about actual antisemitism”
That seems to just be digging a deeper hole for yourself
I don’t think the problem is the lack of real progressiveness, I think the problem is with an attempt to gaslight it from both extremes. Just got banned from worldnews (again) on completely gaslit reasons because of criticism I was making against the Act.IL remnants operating over there. Downvoting into oblivion isn’t enough for them anymore.
I’ve also noticed comparable instances of shadow removals from the other side of the coin in worldnews@lemmy.ml where they similarly gaslit their reasons. I’ve sort of decided if both sides are going to be this putrid, then I’m going to step out of their propaganda wars, and gotta say, the Mossad side is rapidly losing ground regardless of the advantage they might have had.
But that’s not what our glorious leader said!
One of the biggest issues I have with a ton of people is the need to have a “glorious leader”, or the assumption that everyone has one. I’ll vote against Trump doesn’t mean Biden is my “glorious leader”, nor Bernie, nor AOC. People are flawed and worshiping someone will always be problematic. Never meet your heroes, etc.
People also seem to act like hating what one country does means you have to love what the countries considered enemies of them do. America has done a ton of shit and still does a ton of shit it shouldn’t do, and I think we need to be honest about the impact and work to fix it. I think Russia and China also fits in those roles.
There isn’t a world leader today I’d treat as infallible, and I have never pledged my allegiance to a country (at first, for religious reasons, but now that I am not religious, more for ideological reasons). I will still work for the betterment of where I live, pay taxes, etc, but I’m not going to be some jingoistic nationalist nor act like there is some perfect country I’d rather be in. I might eventually want to be in a different country depending how the future goes, but it wouldn’t be because I think that country is perfect. I don’t believe such a thing exists.
