Good that threads.net is in top 50 but I would’ve liked to see it higher. Right now it is at 39th place.
Edit: Also what is the source for the picture?
I like that clicking on the instance shows the reason given (if any) for each defederation.
No clue.
My theories:
- A lot of people like threads.net
- They don’t like I asked for a source
- Or they don’t like the copyleft license
Because that’s literally all the information my comment gives.
The copyleft license link does nothing to prevent what you’re trying to prevent.
It’s so weird.
Due to the fact that Facebook has chosen to involve software that will allow the theft of my personal information, I do declare the following: on this day, 30th November 2014, in response to the new Facebook guidelines and under articles L.111, 112 and 113 of the code of intellectual property, I declare that my rights are attached to all my personal data, drawings, paintings, photos, texts etc… published on my profile since the day I opened my account. For commercial use of the foregoing my written consent is required at all times. Those reading this text can copy it and paste it on their Facebook wall. This will allow them to place themselves under the protection of copyright. By this release, I tell Facebook that it is strictly forbidden to disclose, copy, distribute, broadcast, or to take any other action against me on the basis of this profile and/or its contents. The actions mentioned above apply equally to employees, students, agents and/or other staff under the direction of Facebook. The contents of my profile include private information. The violation of my privacy is punished by the law (UCC 1 1-308 - 308 1 -103 and the Rome Statute). Facebook is now an open capital entity. All members are invited to post a notice of this kind, or if you prefer, you can copy and paste this version. If you have not published this statement at least once, you will tacitly allow the use of elements such as your photos as well as the information contained in your profile update. Do not share. Just copy on paste on your wall.
Goofy ah copypasta. Copyright applies automatically, you don’t need to publish a statement proclaiming it. Facebook is already forbidden from using your work commercially without your consent. They’ll do it anyway though because Zuck knows he can get away with it
AI simps. There’s more and more of them on the fediverse, for some reason. They’re getting a bit less active on Mastodon, as Elongated Muskrat is also being an AI fan.
I think AI is annoying AF and Elon Musk can fuck right off.
But this “license disclaimer” has the energy of mom posting one of these “I herby forbid facebook to use my images and personal data” disclaimer to their facebook profile.
And adding this idocy to literally every lemmy comment just makes you look like a right twat.
As long as the pedo shit is blocked i dont see why u would want to defederate instead of letting each user block what they want. We need a user level federated blocklist.
If you want to see far-right content and spam, join a far-right server or run your own, rather than trying to shame server owners into doing what you want.
Admins are entitled to decide what they platform and what they don’t. On top of that, the user experience of “just block 100 servers of Nazis and incels to get to the content you want to see” is complete dogshit.
This “it should all be user level” is just apologist bullshit.
Did anybody say admins aren’t entitled to block stuff? User just wanted a system to see everything and block what they didn’t want.
Fuck off with this aggressive bad-faith shit.
Did anybody say admins aren’t entitled to block stuff
His “defederation bad (except pedos)” isn’t exactly wet with support for blocking instances for spam and extremism.
User just wanted a system to see everything and block what they didn’t want.
That system exists. It’s the “run your own server” that I explicitly mentioned. But let’s be honest, he doesn’t want that system (which again, he already has) for himself, he wants it for everyone else.
It’s the same bullshit that “free speech absolutists” push in every single thread about defederation – admins should be hands off and users should dig through through slurs, racism, homophobia looking for content worth engaging with.
It benefits exactly one group of people but apparently doesn’t set off your “bad-faith” radar.
Did anybody say admins aren’t entitled to block stuff?
I mean, it’s a user complaining about defederation from known nazi instances. It gives off some big “free speech absolutist (as long as the free speech is hate speech)” vibes.
User just wanted a system to see everything and block what they didn’t want.
That system already exists. You can spin up your own instance in like 15 minutes, and have access to the entire unfiltered fediverse. But nobody wants to do that, because nobody actually wants to see the unfiltered fediverse. That shit is basically rawdogging the internet, because it’s full of extremists and pedophiles.
There is only one side who benefits from the “everything unfiltered by default, the user has to individually wade through mountains of slurs, hate, doxxing, and child porn to manually block all of them” option. And it isn’t the user. The only side that benefits is the side that now gets to peddle their BS to a wider audience.
If you genuinely want the fediverse to improve and grow, advocating for unfiltering isn’t the way. That shit will scare off any curious new users faster than any kind of reasonable filtering would. Imagine you make a new account, and your first interactions are blocking a thousand individual instances just so you don’t end up on a federal watch list.
Because in order to block content, the user first has to see it. If I were an instance admin, I wouldn’t force my users to see any amount of N words and homophobic slurs, not even the once it takes to block it.
With a blocklist, the user is putting their trust in an unnamed group of people with essentially no accountability. With defederation, the user puts their trust in admins they can talk to, with a public modlog to explain every decision. You’re proposing to take the same amount of control away from users, but with less accountability.
Looked at the list and did a bit of searching as well as checking the reasons they were defederated. Looks like the top one is basically a trolling group akin to GNAA or some of the proto 4chan or SomethingAwful shit for those who remember back that far.
I can understand why overt trolling and possibly illegal content would be defederated.
That said I would like to see more diverse opinions and sources on my Lemmy feed though. There has to be a base somewhere that isn’t literal nazis but isn’t open socialists either.
That said I would like to see more diverse opinions and sources on my Lemmy feed though. There has to be a base somewhere that isn’t literal nazis but isn’t open socialists either.
Please, this. Lemmy is boring as all hell. 95%+ of users have the same opinions. It’s a giant echo chamber.
You’re free to sub to whatever instances you want. You seem to be complaining about your own inaction.
Anything illegal posted on a remote server will bring legal trouble to you as a server admin the moment it federates onto your instance. Therefore I completely understand them defederating from instances with a high risk of illegal activity.
What…?
Selective federation is a benefit. It’s by design. It’s helpful in precisely these circumstances. And as it’s open source, the users of the service can use the feature how they want. It’s entirely reasonable that instance admins use the feature as intended to protect against regional legal liability. What you’re doing is like using a canoe, and then complaining that there’s too much water in these here parts.
At least on Lemmy, defederating is also a way of banning all the instance’s users from your communities. If you’re constantly banning one instance’s users and their admins seem fine with it, there’s really no other way.
I wish I, an individual account, could defederate from instances, like some way to block all those instances’ users.
the lemmy devs added per user instance blocks a while ago. Check your settings page
You thankfully appear to have not been exposed to a “proper” hexbear thread where all they can do to communicate is call you a shitlib for doing things like acknowledging genocide.
Do you have examples? I am not doubting, since I’ve seen loads of people saying it. But I’ve never come across it myself.
I have the entire instance blocked in my client, so I can’t even go searching for a thread for you. But if you don’t, it should be incredibly easy to poke the hexbear, so to speak. Lemme grab you a link…
Here, this one should work. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China
Find an appropriate sublemmy on Hexbear and post this, ideally in a context that explicitly declares you oppose genocide. You’ll get nothing but the following in your thread:
- Accusations that you are a “shitlib”. Any attempt by you to find out what this word means will result in additional mockery.
- Denials of the Uyghur genocide.
- Adoration of the CCP, especially Xi Jinping (but Hexbear likes any authoritarian tyrant in China, so any CCP politician may end up adulated).
I do agree that the hard left seems to enjoy using “liberal” as an insult, knowing that what most Americans interpret as “liberal” is different than the academic definition they use. It needlessly diverts the conversation and makes them think they’re superior.
Saying “shitlib” is even worse. Basically an adhom attack, not acceptable when the other party is being civil and respectful.
On #2 and #3, I don’t think that is relevant to the original accusation. Of course they will uphold their own views. But #1 is very valid. Though I wish to see examples of it because I have not.
#2 represent! Getting defederated is street cred. If crybabies don’t like you you’re doing something right.
I don’t mess with fedi anymore though, besides dicking around on here. Socially I’m all about Nostr now, it’s the future of the non corpo social media, federated network architecture is simply too prone to abuse.
That’s actually nor possible because there’s no global feed. Your network is what you make of it. I’m not a fan of voat types so I don’t interact with them online all that often.
It’s interesting, the people that tell you that they’re in the majority somehow also believe that online spaces that are left for open discussion don’t wind up the way they want them to, almost as if they’re a minority.
Or they’re just not interested in wading through far-right extremists for 3 shitty memes.
After all, if your theory about “open spaces turn into Nazis and pedos because most people are secretly Nazis and pedos” were actually true, those sites would be the biggest sites in the world, not tiny little bubbles that last 6 months.
I think “#2 represent” is referring to their membership at freespeechextremist, so they are likely looking forward to wallowing in a festering cesspool of hatred.
Nah I leave that shit to the guys at the #1 spot on the list lol. I just say what I want. I’m actually not into being angry and hateful, but I’m also not into being told what I can and cannot say.
damus.io, snort.social and coracle.social seem to he popular sites, but nostr isn’t sites like the fediverse is. It’s a network made up of relays and clients, and the clients can be web clients or they can be applications on your phone or computer. I’m partial to client applications, but to dip your toes in going to a web client like the ones above work good.
I will ALAWYS use the web client over an app, even when they deliberately make the web client shitty to force people on the app, because fuck them trying to track my device usage to sell my data.
Case-in-point, I use the Voyager web client so I don’t need to use the fucking app.
So thank you for providing those web client sites.
sign up to a non pedo instance that list and you’ll actually see and talk about stuff instead of having a leftoid circle jerk.
Yeah, lovely conversations about how jews control the world, how non-whites are destroying the world, how “certain people” being genocided wouldn’t be bad
