78 points

As much as X can get bent The eradication of human sexuality from mass media culture is a clear sign of intense rot at the heart of our civilization. How can such a fundamental element of thr human experience can be so conspicuously absent for almost all art and media. A clear sign of the omnipresent censure and purge of dissenting opinion in our supposedly “free” society.

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Eradication? If anything, streaming services turn the sex dial to 11 for a while now. It’s as if they won’t greenlight a new show unless it has a certain amount of sex and nudity scenes.

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I’m not really including paywalled media in this. I’m not subscribed so I really don’t see any of what you mention. What I’m seeing in my browser windows is almost completely sterile. The only place I see sex, is places that are ONLY about sex. There is no meaningful mixing.

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Yeah which creates a division where all sane and sensible visions of sexuality are forbidden leaving only more extreme depictions from porn focused sites which race to extremes.

I think it’s an unhealthy approach, we need sensible and loving eroticism to serve as a good example otherwise all we have is the absurdity of porn - I’m no prude and not al all against fetish porn or whatever as long as it’s consensual and safe but objectification and extremism don’t make healthy relationships or happy lives (not say they can’t be part of a great relationship but they dont work as the basis for it)

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How can such a fundamental element of thr human experience can be so conspicuously absent for almost all art and media.

What are you talking about? Heaps of movies have sex scenes. Heaps of songs are about sex. There are heaps of books and other stories about sex. The internet is packed with sex stuff of all kinds. Advertisements in the street are obvious implicitly or explicitly about sex. So how can you say that sex is ‘conspicuously absent from almost all art and media’? Are you looking?

Allowing explicit porn on twitter doesn’t make it ground-breaking in any way. It just changes the tone and target audience of the site, such that you will now see porn inserted into basically any conversation or topic.

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Every new game that is released with a character dressed in even a slightly sexually suggestive way results in a rabid meltdown from braindead Twitter users. Payment processors like PayPal are forbidding the use of their services for NSFW content due to pressure from fundamentalist christian organizations like Exodus Cry, under the guise of “child safety”

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I should have clarified, freely available mainstream media and art. I don’t watch ads so I can’t say for sure, I don’t consider advertising to be part of art and media, more like a form of pollution on top.

From what I’ve senn tge most you might get are suggestive allusions to sex. It’s just not treated as the everyday part of life that it is.

By comparison, it is entirely overshadowed by violence and gore.

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The eradication of human sexuality from mass media culture is a clear sign of intense rot at the heart of our civilization

In what way though? We see all kinds of sexual and suggestive displays everywhere in media because “sex sells”. I guess you and the people up voting you don’t use Instagram, which is essentially what Twitter is now trying to emulate via this rule change.

How can such a fundamental element of thr human experience can be so conspicuously absent for almost all art and media.

But it’s not? Every visual form of art has some kind of sexualized content. Go literally anywhere (online or off) and it’s there. The reason why the more overt and pornographic content is behind NSFW is because it’s titillating. Experiencing prolonged bouts of arousal is mentally exhausting and often leads to depression or worsens it, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10813043/#:~:text=Specifically%2C a higher and hyperstable,3%2C7%2C8].

It’s why looking at porn all day is not mentally relaxing, necessarily. Some people also find overt sexual displays distracting as all they want to do is focus without being stimulated into another direction. That said, there are plenty of video games, movies, art forms, music experiences which explore human sexuality. They’re fun because it’s stimulation at a time when you’re in the frame of mind for it.

I feel a lot of times when people talk about “something is like this” what they’re really saying “my experiences show that something is like this”, and that to me just indicates they need to broaden their experiences.

We’re missing sex positivity in modern US society with respect to women’s reproductive rights and acceptance of different sexual orientations or gender identities. We’re not missing sex or sexualized content.

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You are misunderstanding the meaning of the paper you linked; it is not referring to sexual arousal but rather the psychological state of hyperarousal aka the fight-or-flight response. These are two very different meanings of the term “arousal” and are not at all interchangable.

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I am not misunderstanding it, heightened emotions = arousal, and sexual stimulation leads to heightened emotions

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20 points

Religion is the word you’re looking for.

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And why religion? The answer is: control.

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Is muskrat religious?

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His only religion appears to be financial technofeudalism. I guess the religious fundamentalists aren’t lucrative enough for him to enforce their commandments.

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So maybe just an old tradition that hasn’t died out yet ? A sharp edged piece of societal flotsam that we’re still dealing with ?

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I mean they did have religions in greece and rome, yet it’s full of nude art

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Yea but Greco-Roman paganism didn’t treat women as owned property of men like the Abrahamic faiths do. It’s not necessarily religion in total, it’s that the current dominant religions are extremely controlling and more about self-oppression for eventual reward than guidelines for a good life like most pagan sects

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14 points

Yeah, I’ll always give credit where credit is due, and no matter how much I detest Musk, this is a legitimately good move and I fully endorse it.

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7 points

On the other hand it means no more browsing X at work. NSFW is aptly named.

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2 points

Another arbitrary imposition.

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2 points

While you’re not wrong, there’s a time and place for everything

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3 points

Some workplaces do allow showing tits at work, but It’s not arbitrary. It’s imposed by societies norms.

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it’s not arbitrary… there’s this whole thing with sexual harassment and a hostile workplace that makes porn a bad idea for a large diverse team….

some reactions definitely go too far but it’s not arbitrary

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yup especially in the usa. Violence and blood is okay but god forbid if u see coochie or cock.

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Remember the nipple that ruined a household name celebrity’s career? Despite the cover being removed having more to do with the actions of another celebrity whose career wasn’t ruined rather than her, adding a layer of misogyny to what was already puritan stupidity?

Even if kids saw it, so what? I can’t see any harm resulting from telling a child of any age that women have breasts for feeding babies, that it is done through the nipple, and that women without babies still have breasts and nipples because the body prepares for maybe having a baby later. And men have nipples because that part of the body doesn’t get different until puberty. And that it can be rude to ask or talk to someone about theirs, and it is very rude (and illegal) to touch them without permission.

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exactly its bizzare how the usa has tabooed breasts so hard especially in non sexual settings like a women having to cover herself or go in the bathroom to breast feed. Yes boobies are fantastic and erotic but at the same time not that a big deal and people should be able at the very least tolerate their barren presence.

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As a foreigner, this is more of a US (maybe England?) thing in my perception (together with some Muslim and East cultures). The US was always a bit strange with sexuality themes.

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The UK* is waaaaaaaaaaaay more open about sex and nudity than the US

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So, I don’t use Twitter. But as I can tell, here are some of the the sources of friction:

  • The rebranding to X threw out brand value.

  • Policy shifts didn’t make some people – who wanted the other policies, which I understand to generally be more-content-restrictive – happy.

  • Twitter laid off a bunch of expensive human moderators who were censoring content.

So, speaking personally, I’m pretty hard in favor of speech being permissive. I don’t want someone preventing me from seeing someone’s speech. I want to make those decisions myself.

However, there are people who don’t agree; they’d prefer to have their environment have content moderation.

What the changes did was basically force people into a more-permissive environment, which some did not like.

With the benefit of hindsight, what I think Twitter should have done is the following:

  • Keep Twitter active.

  • Start charging for or otherwise monetizing Twitter sufficiently to cover human moderator costs.

  • Start up X.com. Provide a seamless migration path to X.

  • Gateway all Twitter content to X.com. Don’t do the reverse (or maybe do so on a limited basis, like having particularly popular content flow back, but filtered or human-curated). Maybe have some mechanism for Twitter users to request that X feeds be gatewayed back to Twitter.

That solves a number of problems:

  • People who want a place that have censored content have that option. The default is for the environment to remain the same.

  • People who don’t want heavy moderation can have that, and aren’t having to pay for someone else’s moderation.

  • If a country wants to ban X (like, most of the regulatory yelling I hear about X seems to be coming from the EU) they can do that. People in the EU can still use Twitter.

  • It’d even be possible to make other content-filtering variants attached to X, because I guarantee that some countries have different ideas of what they think should be permitted in public discourse.

  • The brand value doesn’t go away; I’ve seen many people point out that Twitter is a very-recognizable brand.

I suggested that something vaguely similar might be a good idea, back when the EU started passing some of their content restrictions. Didn’t involve the X.com stuff, though; that came later.

Like, the problem here is basically that there are different social norms and regulatory regimes around the world. Trying to create one global identical set of policies is invariably going to make some users and some countries annoyed. But…that’s not really necessary to have at least some level of global intercommunication.

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You make good, considered suggestions. But even if Musk would read them, he’s not the sort of person to make considered, rational, moves.

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See, the problem is that this all would have required retaining all those expensive engineers that were either terminated or bailed the second he got hands on the platform.

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Sure, you’d have to not lay em off, but only the people who are actually making use of their services are paying for them. So users get the “censored” or “non-censored” option.

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Time to drop a ton of photoshops of Musk with a diseased micropenis until he changes his mind about this. Maybe shops of Zuckerberg and Musk heads onto gay porn stars so it looks like Mark is dominating Elon’s asshole in the literal sense rather than just the figurative sense.

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“And just like that the perfect use case for AI finally emerged.”

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11 points

Gentlemen, you know what must be done. We ride at dawn.

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…is THIS what we’re doing for gay pride month? I mean, I’m not against it, I just want to know the plan so I’m not caught off guard.

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It’s one thing we’re doing. We’re also making pride look like an early 20th century labor parade. We’ve got a busy month ahead of us

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I think to get under his skin the most having musk be a sub to someone like zuck or hillary clinton or maybe some of the guys he asked for funds to help buy twitter

I wonder if him having a train run on him by a bunch of union guys would bug him the most

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Or… you could just… you know… stop using it.

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Oh, I don’t, lol. That was more of a prediction than me saying that I’d be doing it. I never made a Twitter account. It already seemed shitty to me even before musk utterly destroyed it.

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Awesome… Driving Twitter into the ground even faster.

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First good thing Musk has ever done?

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He will find a way to ruin it.

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I give it a week before it’s locked behind Twitter Blue or some new subscription

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