276 points

Please don’t. Just keep providing security updates for an extended time and don’t make Win 10 worse with these ‘features’ that are keeping people away from Win 11.

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94 points

But muh platform growth!?!?! It just needs more AI, that’ll get the people upgrading

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29 points

Nobody wants more AI.

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36 points

From what I’ve seen, pretty much everyone from techies to the tech illiterate HATES AI Implementations. Yet corporations keep trying to shovel it down our throats. When are they going to admit no one wants this?

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3 points

I’m already hallucinating

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30 points

That’s the point, make wi does 10 worse so people will update

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14 points

But W10 likely won’t ever get the “feature” of OCRing your entire workspace and serializing the results to plaintext.

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7 points

Who knows, maybe it will

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-2 points

Just switch to Linux, problem solved.

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Sure, will you call the it admin where I work and tell him I’m switching?

I want to switch to Linux just as much as you, but at work I have literally zero influence over this. Private OS choice and enterprise / corporate are very different things, and businesses refusing to switch away from Windows is a very big reason why Microsoft’s behaviour lately is a big deal.

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OK, so what are you running at home?

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13 points

Some problems:

  • Stability. For me, Linux on a VM (where I’m using it for development and getting myself familiarized with it) was a stability nightmare. Everything could go wrong after an update (I’m looking at you, Ubuntu 24.04), or even a restart, with no easy way to recover.
  • Lack of an easy recovery. On Windows, you can recover your OS from a faultry update easily. If a bit more things have gone wrong, just use the installer, to resurrect your own installation. On Linux, you’re on your own, and while sometimes it’s an easy fix, other times you’re better off reinstalling your OS, leading you to have to restart a lot of other things, which leads to lost time that could have spent better with doing something productive. I’ve wasted hours on recovering data from a Ubuntu 24.04 installation which decided to no longer work in GUI mode, and it ultimately ruined my sleep schedule.
  • A lot of settings are hidden deep within config files, which need manual editing, and even worse, googling, which on today’s internet, will likely lead you to an AI generated site filled with garbage. I managed to kill the Linux installation on my Raspberry Pi, which lead me to the previous point of having to reinstall, then having to google even more settings because Raspberry Pi OS had the great idea in the newer versions to “make setup easier”, thus tieing your location settings and your keyboard layout, so I had a Hungarian layout that I had to change, as it’s horrible to use for software development (a lot of commonly used characters are on the Alt Gr layer, and there’s only one Alt Gr key, the other Alt is a dedicated menu key - thanks IBM!).
  • Production software and drivers. While Wine is fine for a lot of games, but try to use software with way more sophisticated copy protection schemes. They’re already a pain to use on Windows with the original keys and such, now imagine them on a Windows emulator. Good luck with trying to find VST plugins, which copy protection can be 100% removed!

I’m not a good UX designer, but my first two rules for anything GUI related are:

  1. If it can be done by a single button press, it should be a single button press on the GUI.
  2. If it can be an easy configuration, it should be an easy configuration on the GUI.

Linux, alongside with many other projects in the FOSS community, regularly fail both of these, in favor of scripts, which are fine, but have their own issues. Your average user’s average usecase does not involve “very repetitive tasks that are just perfect for some shell scripts”.

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I’m not here to argue that Linux is flawless if you just do this one obvious trick, but rather to say, for you in particular, with the issues you described: You might enjoy openSUSE more.

It comes with filesystem snapshots out-of-the-box. As in zero setup. And you can rollback to a previous snapshot from the bootloader, even if your system does not boot anymore.
So, assuming neither your filesystem nor hardware broke (and you noticed the breakage right away), it takes 5 minutes to get back to a working state.

It also comes with an extensive system settings GUI, called “YaST”. It certainly does not completely absolve you from touching config files. It also will not make you weap from how intuitive of a GUI it is. But it is a GUI and it covers lots of the common stuff that one might tweak on a computer.

I do also find openSUSE to be less error-prone than Ubuntu in general (my workplace makes me use the latter).

Main downside of openSUSE: It is more niche. The community is smaller. When you do run into an error, there’s fewer articles out there to help you. In particular, setting up specialty software like DAWs, VSTs etc., you may find less help for.

But the small community is more tight-knit and consists of lots of folks with higher expertise, so if you ask in the forum or some other place where the community hangs out, you will usually still get rather excellent help (and perhaps better help than what search engines unearth these days).

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Ubuntu is bad, that’s why you are having stability issues. Stop using it.

Also it’s dead easy to recover a Linux installation that has snapshots. Just boot the previous snapshot and go. Also could just use an immutable Linux if not breaking things is your main concern.

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141 points

Another great ploy by Microsoft to increase Linux adoption.

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I just dual booted Linux Mint yesterday when I was reminded of the Win 10 end of service date, and hope to keep with it as my main system.

Linux has come a long way with compatibility since I last tried it ~10 years ago. The fact that Steam games ran perfectly without an evening of configuring settings blew my mind.

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17 points

Honestly my ability to game has what has kept me out of linux. I trialed PopOs a while ago. I will more than likely switch to it when shit starts getting super annoying.

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14 points

Gaming on Linux works like a charm now

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2 points

It’s already super annoying, and this is what people always say. What’s it going to take in your case?

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7 points

I set up a second SSD with Bazzite for dual booting, but it’s not practical for me to use as a daily driver yet. I have a Nvidia GPU, and the drivers just aren’t up to par with their Windows counterparts yet. I could tolerate not having HDR, but also not being able to use 2 monitors with different refresh rates at the same time is killing me.

There’s an update in the works that should fix at least the multi-monitor problem, but still no HDR.

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Did you use bazzite with gnome or kde? If I recall correctly, kde plasma 6.1 has support for multi monitor with different refresh

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1 point

Do you know if Nvidia Surround works? I’ve been gaming with a tripple monitor setup and would really like to keep it.

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On Nobara you can just double click .exe files and they open perfectly with winetricks. Absolutely bonkers.

This is with an nvidia card too, 0 issues 0 config needed

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3 points

That’s really awesome.

Does an old version of Ms office like 2010, 2013 or 2016 work with this?

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3 points

Do Ubisoft and Blizzard games run? I keep reading praises about Steam but I am more concerned with the other launchers

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They usually do if they don’t use kernel level anti cheat. But it’s a bit more complicated than Steam. There are guides online. It’s manageable but it’s not “click play and you’re done” like steam

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Afaik Steam has a compatibility layer (Proton) which makes the games run on linux, because the SteamOS which is running on the Steam Deck is Linux. There is Wine you could use for games outside Steam, or you could also try running them throuhg Steam.

Now I have no experience with any of this, but plan to set up Linux dual boot at some point and this is my understanding of things. Somebody better suited will probably chime in with mire details

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Blizzard games have always had good linux compatibility. Might change now that they’ve bought by microsoft though.
As for ubisoft games they probably run too, launchers are a pita but they do run, you’ll need something like lutris, bottles or heroic launcher to get you started running shit outside of steam, they’re not necessary but they make things simpler.

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I just wiped Windows from my drive yesterday and committed to Fedora after dualbooting for 15 years…I’ve been maining Fedora for a while and always kept Windows around “just in case”, but never actually seemed to need it. This recall/AI spyware was it for me though. Gaming has been a breeze for a while on Fedora/Linux due to Steam/Proton…such a great feeling to finally be completely rid of Windows!

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126 points

Stubborn? Windows 11 does not support my older hardware. With no other reason to upgrade, I’m not dropping that kind of cash just for Windows 11.

Regardless, I fully migrated to Linux last year.

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Which distro did you choose?

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2 points

Hopped around for a while and enjoyed Fedora the most. I’m now on Bazzite and love it.

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2 points

Nice.

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69 points

Bring back support for Windows 7 and Windows 10 will die overnight.

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Windows media center alone is worth resurrecting win7 for.

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11 points

Honestly the experience of Jellyfin, Tvheadend and Kodi is these days nicer than MCE ever was

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3 points

Does the tv tuner and tv guide work? I tried a few alternatives a few years back and they were garbo. Wmc always just worked.

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Every person I’ve talked to IRL about Windows misses Windows 7. We didn’t realize how good we had it. Oh well, I’ll just switch to Linux

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4 points

Honestly, Windows 7 is an ergonomic nightmare for many modern users, me included.

I’m too spoiled with Windows 10/11 and Linux with KDE/Budgie.

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1 point

I still like it but I never really got into workspaces or anything like that. The only thing I miss when I’m on my 7 machine is dark mode.

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1 point

Hmm, because no workspaces? Can’t think of much else they changed since then…

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68 points

TF do they mean stubbornly popular? My windows 10 works perfectly fine and I have absolutely no reason to change anything about it. What is this weird ass ‘if you’re not upgrading, you’re being stubborn’ when there is no reason to and windows 11 looks ass on top of it

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Agreed, and I would think XP was the stubbornly popular version. People were on there for years after end of support.

A large amount of people still clinging to Win 10 because the only other (Windows) option is upgrading to 11 doesn’t mean it’s “popular” so much as it means people want 11 even less than they wanted 10.

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Umm maybe it’s stubbornly popular because devices running it can’t be updated. My OG surface book (a Microsoft flagship device for awhile) is great hardware, but can’t update to 11. My gaming laptop is even better hardware but doesn’t meet the win11 requirements. Because they are sealed devices. I literally couldn’t if I wanted to.

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10 points

… said the stubborn person refusing to upgrade.

I was still on Windows 7 until about four months ago when I needed to upgrade to 10 for work. I totally agree and understand your point

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3 points

For those who are still on Win 7: Firefox (and so Tor Browser) will stop supporting Win 7 soon. Seriously, you better plan to migrate to Linux. Not-so-good privacy issues aside, everyone knows Windows is not very secure/safe/convenient anyway.

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said the stubborn person refusing to upgrade.

You sound like you 100% missed their point.

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8 points

That’s why they want to “update” it. What they really mean is break it…

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