74 points

That is in no way unexpected.

permalink
report
reply
19 points

Exactly. And the other comments so far are pretty ignorant. All close elections are won by winning over independents AND people registered to the other party. Just because Republicans in Congress appear largely in lock-step with Trump doesn’t mean Republican voters are.

It’s fair to speculate that many Trump haters left the Republican party in 2016 and more in 2020. But certainly not all of them. And beyond the Trump haters are a swathe of people uncertain or uncomfortable with Trump who can be won over.

permalink
report
parent
reply
26 points

Not what I meant. Democrats will bend over backwards to try to appeal to Republicans before they ever consider appealing to alienated progressives.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Ah, too bad.

Elections are won by appealing to the center, where the majority of the populace sits, while not alienating (too many) people on your flank.

Two party politics is a lot of this problem. Ranked choice voting would help a lot. But even in parliamentary systems, coalitions have to gather support in the center without pissing off the edges too much.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

It’s because progressives always vote blue anyway, when they do, and represent a small portion of the voter base. Most Americans are liberals

permalink
report
parent
reply
-1 points
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply
11 points

The real travesty is that this is a close election.

permalink
report
parent
reply
-1 points

All close elections are won by winning over independents

Not true. It’s also possible to win by increasing your side’s turnout. And independents aren’t all centrists.

Republicans already have a major party catering directly to their interests. Meanwhile a full third of the country doesn’t vote. Obviously it’s a better strategy to give non-voters a reason to be engaged rather than trying to win over people who hate you and everyone who looks like you.

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points
*

Joe Biden is courting an unexpected group of voters: the other half

That’s basically the headline.

permalink
report
parent
reply
14 points

Progressives and leftists are once again marginalized

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

Unless they lose then it’s all their fault

permalink
report
parent
reply
34 points
*

… because that strategy’s never backfired on a regular basis for the Dems before …

permalink
report
reply
14 points
*

What are you talking about?

This was definitely NOT a huge component of the Hillary Clinton campaign.

It also definitely did NOT play into the Democrat’s delusion that any left leaning voters they lost by shifting to the right would be replaced by the GOP moderates it would attract.

Oh, and Chuck Schummer also NEVER repeatedly made these claims in public, or during media appearances.

So yeah, this is a bold and definitely BRAND NEW strategy.

No way it goes tits up.

permalink
report
parent
reply
12 points
*

“What are progressives going to do? Vote Republican?! HAHAHAHA!” - The DNC

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

They just need to abstain for Trump to win.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points
*

And if all the progressives in CA and NY and MA and WY and MT and UT vote for Biden and Trump still wins in the Electoral College all the liberals will blame them for the loss.

Democrats don’t appeal to progressives because we all live in high density areas and low-density areas define the government. It’s just like PotatoMcWhiskey exploiting the Diplomatic Favor trade hack in Civ; they’re at least attempting to play the actual game that we’re playing.

Also, I love the subtext of “Everyone should vote! [Democrat].” None of you would know that I just leave the ballot blank every year. Or if I did stupid write ins. But I voted, and that’s what’s important.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

So how should the party treat them? Like valued constituents or like contemptible shit?

Because they’re not being treated like valued constituents.

permalink
report
parent
reply
0 points
*

They can be mad at Biden for Gaza. Meanwhile, Trump will green light a full annexation of the West Bank as a quid pro quo for Miriam Adelson’s support. This is the same reason he moved the embassy to Jerusalem to lock in her husband’s support for the 2016 election.

Edit: run-on sentence

permalink
report
parent
reply
30 points

Yay. more joe manchins. hurray. I am so excited.

permalink
report
reply
27 points

“For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” -Chuck Schumer, 2016

permalink
report
reply
7 points

There are still blue-collar Democrats in Western PA? I thought they went extinct in the early aughts

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

Sure there are, but they’re all in Pittsburgh. As soon as you venture outside of city limits it’s a very different story.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points
*
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply
23 points

That’s not unexpected, since Clinton and his DLC, the modus operandi has been to court the right wing vote, and as they do, the entire party shifts to the right to accommodate them.

permalink
report
reply
14 points

See one party is doing it’s best to run a country with a Conservative government. I disagree but at least it’s respectable.

The other is doing it’s best to bring about a free market theocracy.

The Democrats assume the other guys are operating in good faith, and so happily follow along as everyone moves to the right.

We ask for healthcare and we give the biggest gift to the insurance companies in a century. We ask for student debt reform and we get a few handouts while millions of kids every year continue to sign up for predatory student loans. We ask that our children at least be safe in school, and crickets…

I’m not saying this is one guy’s fault, this is the result of a trend that’s been going on for decades. But the Democrats are attempting to curry votes from a group that will never support them and leaving the passionate base behind. And after January 6th I’m just left wondering why the fuck they’re negotiating with terrorists?

If nothing is getting done until you have a majority at least for the love of God, swing for the bleachers. Get people excited again.

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

And after January 6th I’m just left wondering why the fuck they’re negotiating with terrorists?

Because most Dems like the status quo and despise populism.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

And after January 6th I’m just left wondering why the fuck they’re negotiating with terrorists?

The alternative involves listening to progressives.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

Oh god could you imagine

permalink
report
parent
reply
-4 points

Clinton had downloadable content?

permalink
report
parent
reply
-6 points

Politicians accommodating what voters want? What do they think this is, a democracy?

They wouldn’t have to shift so far right if the far left wasn’t too busy being angry that the politicians are doing what the voters want to go out and vote themselves.

permalink
report
parent
reply
10 points
-1 points

Conservatives are just liberals but more racist. Change my mind.

If you lump together all the liberals you get enough to win an election. And that includes so-called “moderate republicans”

permalink
report
parent
reply

politics

!politics@lemmy.world

Create post

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to “Mom! He’s bugging me!” and “I’m not touching you!” Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That’s all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

Community stats

  • 15K

    Monthly active users

  • 16K

    Posts

  • 453K

    Comments