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more like when we still believe a burgeois state will put good politicians in power.

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Ahh lemmy.ml, never change.

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Ahhh America, you won’t ever change.

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Perhaps instead of mocking America, you guys should’ve spent more time making sure politicians like American conservatives didn’t get elected

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America will change, it’s a declining Imperialist state and wealth disparity is skyrocketing.

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agreed. its nice here.

but also some variety can’t hurt either.

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France is collapsing right before our eyes. Give it until year-end to turn into a totalitarian country.

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France has been led by liberals for years now, enshittified without mercy by these rich fucks, these EU sellouts. Our education is fucked, out healthcare is fucked, our lifestyle is fucked, all to please these rich cunts. it’s time we bring out the guillotine again.

Fuck the EU, fuck macron, fuck these pretend left wing cucks from LFI and PS, fuck the nazi cunts.

Only one solution, revolution. Heads need to roll again to remind them who’s in charge.

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I agree with you this is the result of decades of liberal policies and the left was never been able to stand against it in any capacity. It’s a really shame, but we had it coming for a long long time.

Although the EU is far from perfect, I still think it brings more good than evil. We should try to salvage what is good.

I am not so much on board for cutting heads, but think these corrupt motherfuckers should rot in prison for life.

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The EU can get fucked too. They forced the fishermen who received subsidies because of the crazy oil prices that forced them to stay in port to return the money. They forced the nationalisation privatization of our energy production, of our railways, etc. Things that shouldn’t be operated around profit margins are now forced to pay dividends to greedy cunts wo provide nothing of value to our society.

A significant portion of our problems today is due to the loss of economic freedom and the forced capitalist march led by the eurocrats.

Burn everything down, make heads roll.

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How did they enshittify your country specifically? I want to compare it with how neoliberalism enshittified the UK.

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Budget cuts left, right and center mostly.

Education, healthcare, transportation, everything goes down the shitter in the name of tax cuts and profits for the mega rich.

Medicine is more expensive than ever and many drugs get removed from the reimbursement list every year.

Increased retirement age even though numbers and stats show there is no need to.

Just the average liberalism bullshit similar to every other country.

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This is the most French comment I read today

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Macron just dissolved the national assembly. There’s no reason to believe the new assembly won’t exactly represent the same percentages we have just witnessed. Our country is fucked.

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Liberals have been fucking our country for decades.

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Yeah, the left doesn’t want to make amends and unify. My bet is macron needed an ego boost or something, the socialists and the centrists will unify, so even if they win we get basically the same government. And even then it will be more to the right than it previously was.

Best case scenario the left union (LFI EELV PCF etc…) goes second turn against the centrists and socialists. That’s assuming we get more leftists and as much centrists as in 2022.

Worst case scenario the RN and centrists go second turn. This would assume the votes for everyone stay the same, which isn’t true the LFI has gotten more popular but still it’s likely this will happen.

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It feels like this is gonna be his David Cameron moment

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I hope the French know how hard it is to get rid of the right wing once you vote them in. When Sunak called an election in the UK within the first week we had relaxed voting requirements for expats (a typically right wing voting group) and anonymous complaints against MPs of the opposing party that simply prevent them from standing because the complaints investigation procedure is longer than the very short election window.

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I wouldn’t be so pessimistic, the erosion of democracy is usually a relatively slow process. Poland went 8 years under its equivalent to NF and still managed to win its democracy back.

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The erosion has started a long while ago (~15years ?), together with the erosion of independent media and sabotage of education. What we see today might very well be a breaking point.

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France you’d better get this right, or else you’re in for years of ‘La Peine’

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Not sure that’s be worse than the years of liberalism we’ve been dealing with for decades.

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you dropped this /S

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People move yo. It’s what we’ve always done and will always continue to do. Wherever things are shit, people will move to places where they are better.

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I can’t find any figures showing an actual crime wave in Sweden (excepting a sharp spike in 2020 followed by a significant decline in 2021, but 2020 had other circumstances that contributes that are distinctly different from immigration). What are you talking about? Right-wing parties always talk about how much worse the crime rates are due to immigrants, but data never seems to appear which supports this.

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Care to back that up with some data?

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(anti)Falcon PUNCH!

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So goddamn sick of fascist populists. Fuck humanity, so fucking stupid it can’t help but shit the bed and fuck everyone else right along with em

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So goddamn sick of fascist populists

They’re the only ones allowed to do any populism. Ratchet keeps tightening, because centrists refuse to do anything nice for people and leftists who obtain the power to do so get labeled “tankie” and run out of office.

So of course, the only people allowed to say anything with a baseline public appeal are going to win a fucking popularity contest

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“Tankie” “Socialist” “Communist” the same things thrown at any politicians left of center.

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Socialist and Communist, sure. But what politicians have been called tankies? I thought tankies were a specific type of communist.

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And a few right-of-center, when you look at how DLC Dems like Biden and Clinton got smeared.

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So goddamn sick of communist populists disguised as middle ground socialists. Goes both ways.

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🌈 Awww how can one not love this communist lemmy 🌈

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Where exactly in Europe are communist winning elections?

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Austria, in communal politics. Figures people like things such as social housing and respect it when parliamentarians donate excess salary to worker’s charity (in particular, everything that’s above the average wage of a skilled worker).

But I don’t think .ml denizens would ever get there. It would require, you know, touching cobblestone.

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I had it out with a friend of mine who has gone full fascist, spews all the fascist talk show rhetoric, refuses to back any of his claims. A traitor in my opinion, and he is no longer welcome in my life in any way.

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We, all of us, from all the places, need to get together and start our own county. I’d bring the liquor, though our friends from Germany may legitimately throw me out a window so I’ll leave that to them.

In all seriousness, this is a situation where the minority are the loudest. Everywhere. In the U.S., Canada, South America, Europe and all the States within, we all want a better life. Do what those of us in the U.S. haven’t been able to do and organize if you haven’t. Despite the dumbasses over here flinging insults and threats, many of us are also hoping for the best across the old pond.

This situation with rising fascism is a world problem. It’d be awesome if we could, as a larger community, come together in stalwart support against something, and not just in support of each other.

Whatever you do just know we’re fighting over here in the U.S. too. Many of us are so sick of being robbed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Anyway, this turned into a rant. I apologize.

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This could work. We could maybe take over Andorra or Monaco. They wouldn’t mind because we will seduce them by being either A) shopaholics in Andorra or B) gambling addicts in Monaco. It could be like this big European Vacation that never ends (eat your hearts out, Griswalds).

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You’re aware that Monaco is a full-blown monarchy, are you. Yes there’s a parliament but every law needs the signature of the Prince, who is also sole head of the executive. Also they already have like 80% foreign population in the city.

San Marino would be the sane choice. Sole country ever to first elect fascists (to avoid getting invaded by Mussolini), then elect MLs, and then get rid of them again in the next elections. (Had no chance to get rid of the fascists like that they went AWOL after Mussolini’s death). Oldest constitutional republic in the world. Arguably the oldest democracy in the world: Modern suffrage was introduced in 1906 by the Arengo, a meeting of all household heads, which had had constitutional primacy since the middle ages it simply never got around giving the ruling oligarch council the boot. That council was first introduced in 1243 because the Arengo became unwieldy, then centralised power, then forgot who gave it power. I mean after 650 years that’s not necessarily surprising.

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With liquor I think you’d be fine. It’s beer that I have found Germans to be picky about. They will find a window to throw you out of if you hand them a Bud Light

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That is so not true! My German office mate from way back would drink ANY beer. And he was super fun. As a matter of fact, one time he brought Bud Light to a party I threw. He had issues with green peppers, though. Used to say, “Did you know that green peppers are just unripened red peppers?” I don’t think that’s a German thing. I think it was a him thing.

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Bud Light

AKA Pisswasser.

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Your post describes exactly the state I’m in. Fuck all these greedy fucks, fuck the dumb shits that vote them, fuck the conservatives enabling these Nazi fucks.

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Fascism doesn’t just come and go because people wax and wane in collective stupidity, it’s a very specific set of conditions including Class Colaborationism, rising nationalism, and declining material conditions causing people to long for “the good old days” and “take care of our own, the immigrants are stealing from us so we can’t.” The Class Colaborationism bit is important, because it explains why Social Democracies are especially vulnerable to fascism, as Social Democracy is also based on Class Colaborationism, just not based on nationalism and violent suppression.

People don’t randomly become fascist out of nowhere, it’s a failure to move forward and improve conditions that is being taken advantage of by bad actors to solidify power.

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Note that conditions haven’t been getting worse in America, but there’s a campaign by the populists to make people feel like it’s worse.

The economy is better than before the pandemic, the wages have finally started beating inflation (to the point people are making more now in wages than before the pandemic). But if you’re on social media you would not think this is the case.

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Conditions have been getting worse. Capitalism requires this. Wealth disparity is skyrocketing, wages fail to keep up with productivity, and American Imperialism is causing genocide.

A minor uptick as compared to a couple years ago does not mean Capitalism is no longer declining.

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Yeah, free, happy and educated people don’t suddenly wake up as fascists one day.

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No, they are conditioned to it by radical fascist talk radio and little betas like Charlie Kirk

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The difference in results between Scandinavia and the rest of the EU is very interesting. A well-working educational system is clearly the best weapon against fascism.

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A well-working educational system is clearly the best weapon against fascism.

That has never stopped fascism before. Ever.

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Fascism is always populated by ignorant morons. Always.

And the capitalists who funds fascism? Are they ignorant morons, too?

What about the media, which goes out of it’s way to downplay fascism? Are they morons as well?

What about the police, who always protects and enables fascism - what about them?

Your understanding of fascism is dangerously naive.

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I think they assume “well working” means “is not a propaganda tool for the fascists.”

They probably don’t want to acknowledge that capturing schools, and what history and literature they are allowed to teach, is also the easiest way to create the Hitler Youth.

It also rather demonstrates that they are the best way to create the Anti-Hitler Youth.

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It also rather demonstrates that they are the best way to create the Anti-Hitler Youth.

As far as I’m aware, proper antifascism is not a subject taught at European schools. Today’s antifascists had to learn it the same way the interwar antifascists learned it - from scratch.

But it’s actually far, far worse than that. Liberal societies are utterly unwilling to confront what fascism really is nor the reasons fascism grows so easily in said liberal societies, and education cirriculums, of course, follow suit. This all makes it very easy for fascism to fester pretty much out in the open.

I won’t be relying on a formal education system to even slow fascism down… never mind stop it.

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That, and also that’s not how the English language works.

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It’s really not that simple. Look at Austria, for example. It’s also a lot about culture and society itself and how it developed. We are exporting nazis ffs. Shit that gets people thrown out of parties in Germany (like Krah) is just another Tuesday in Austria. And we have a great educational system. Of course with ways to improve.

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Krah wasn’t kicked out, they just didn’t want him to show up to events because of looks. Now that the election is over watch them fully embrace that treasonous, SS glorifying nazi back as their top candidate. Also I bet it will not take longer than two weeks until LePenne forgets that the AfD is more and more admiting to be fascist and welcomes them back to ID

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You’re not up to date I guess. He will not be part of the Delegation. But he’s still a member of the AfD. (https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/krah-afd-europaparlament-fraktion-100.html)

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Austrian Nazis? now I’ve heard everything!

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Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t Krah just forbidden by his party to go campaigning (and he did campaign anyway)? As far as I know he’s still part of the AfD.

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That’s why the right hate universities. Well, that and the fact they unis will call out their BS.

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Also, a well working social system with low corruption. But it’s a bit chicken and the egg sort of situation.

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Participation in the EU election in Sweden was at a record low - just above 50%, which is amongst the worst in Europe. IMO that’s a serious warning flag.

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Indeed it is. And still our right wing populists are constantly screeching how the “general media is clearly and unfairly left-biased,” and “how the other side of the story remains untold”.

No shit, Sherlock. Nearly all journalists have college or university degrees, that’s what happens when you open your mind to the larger world.

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EU élections are often used to show your frustrations with the current government. In Sweden and Finland the current government is right wing.

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It really depends, there’s plenty of ways to politicize an educational system and call it well-working. I think a more crucial distinction would be to teach people to be able to discern good sources from shit sources and how they can be manipulated without realizing it, and having taught across several semesters, if a good education system is simply not viable (i.e. poorer EU countries).

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