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i think actual information is way too difficult to suss out these days with the misinformation campaigns and the paywalls and the trolling, etc.

shit try to do some comparison shopping today and try to figure out which reviews are real and if the thing you’re buying is really the thing you think you’re buying.

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73 points

The signal to noise ratio is getting worse by the day, unfortunately.

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Definitely doesn’t help, and modern machine learning models are only going to make this problem worse.

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People don’t do their own research past the most cursory google searches at best of times, and now google is absolute garbage and the links that are relevant mostly go to massive SEO whale sites written by AI.

That’s all before you get to the actual mainstream media sites that spout the same commercial news cycle stories, or spread sensationalized headlines and absolute nonsense. I have managed teams of people and on daily calls people talk about news stories they read like “Did you hear they found another spaceship on mars?” and “They found proof that covid was a Chinese bio-weapon!” and similar statements from working, middle-class people who just browse the websites and social media before work. Most people have very little time to dig into things they see, and now once-reputable sites are just cashing in on clickbait and lies.

This is how most people get their news and information, and it’s absolute garbage now. Browse a major news site like MSN and it’s worse than grocery store tabloids from the 1980’s. And don’t even get started about social media like twitter and facebook.

Something happened in the last couple decades that has made people literally just stop caring what’s real or not. I feel like it was an attitude deliberately seeded into our culture, and it’s now maturing as a society that has lost belief in everything and accepts anything.

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Agreed: “I feel like it was an attitude deliberately seeded into our culture, and it’s now maturing as a society that has lost belief in everything and accepts anything.”

That is the “feature” and the dead end… The full compliance on anything! No thoughts, no free speech!

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That’s kind of the point.

We now have access to the information, and we’ve discovered that all along it was our inability to distinguish between misinformation and real information that was causing the stupidity.

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Another issue is that information is easy enough to find that people don’t bother to remember things as much anymore, since they can just look up the majority of stuff on Wikipedia or something if they ever need to know it. It leads to people having a smaller pool of background knowledge, which makes them easier to mislead.

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I question whether or not this is true. People will remember things if they find them interesting, so incurious people didn’t know much in the past, either.

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Best case example I know of these days: try to shop for a mattress

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Ain’t hard. Bullshit has a smell

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But most people don’t know how bullshit smells in the first place… Check the downvotes…

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73 points

Stupidity has never been because of lack of access to information. That’s ignorance.

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Certainly ignorance and stupidity are two different things.

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They do seem to be positivelly correlated, though.

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3 points

Stupid people don’t care if they’re ignorant and non-stupid people endeavor not to be.

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To the people saying that this is because of “laziness” or “lack of curiosity”:

I’m bombarded with so much information every day that it’s not feasible to fact-check it all. I have to pick my battles and take things I care less about at face value until I have a reason not to.

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I’m bombarded with so much information every day that it’s not feasible to fact-check it all.

Source?

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Have you been on the internet? Source: personal experience.

Dude, you’re on a link aggregator right now, you can’t honestly think that you’re fact checking every post you read.

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17 points

I think you missed the joke.

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Dude, you’re on a link aggregator right now

Source?

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3 points

While I understand this, I definitely do not take things at face value. I take things I care less about with big grains of salt.

(I could take my travelers checks to a competing resort)

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You are right, but that seem a “feature” and not a “bug”

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Nah. We knew the difference between ignorance and stupidity before then.

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We did not, or at least not universally: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_deficit_model

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I have to admit, even while finding the crooked corners of the internet with rotten and CJ, I did hold onto the belief that access to information was going to lift the masses up out of ignorance. I knew about flamewars since the BBS days. I knew about trolls since rm -rf advice was given. I, in my naivete, seriously underestimated the effects of these phenomenon on society writ large.

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As with many things, I think the point where it all started to go down hill was once facebook became a thing.

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Lack of applicable or pertinent information is still rampant.

Excess information of the stupifying type is everywhere.

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How can we access applicable or relevant information?

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