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It’s dumber than that. We could do it if we cared about long term profits rather than next-quarter profits.

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Yes but that would have tax implications.

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Good luck with that. Have you ever met humans?

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I’m not worried about humans, I’m worried about the rich

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And yet, we managed to mostly abolish slavery and child labour in most countries.

It’s not going to be easy, but it can be done.

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Not to be defeatist, but…

We didn’t abolish slavery… we just replaced it with wage slavery. Sure, the workers are free to leave - and try to survive with no other job opportunities and no money. In fact, for the employers, this is actually preferable to real slavery, because there are lower upfront costs for your slaves, they don’t try to run away or rebel, you don’t have to pay for their healthcare or long term care, and in many places government tax dollars will subsidize their living expenses. Employers have it WAY better with wage slaves than real slaves.

Child labour is still alive and well in many countries, and even there the ball is rolling on rolling THAT back in the US at least.

I admire your positivity, but I’ll believe it when I see it.

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Don’t forget prison labor slavery, especially in the south. It was specifically added for that very reason.

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I agree, all the evils of yesteryear are still there and active, just either well-hidden or people simply don’t care/pretend not to know (cfr football world championships in Qatar, …).

We’ve made enormous progress technologically, but humans are still the exact same as 2000 or 5000 years ago. We’ve changed exceedingly little in that time, and the few things that have changed could be reverted very quickly if shove comes to push concerning climate collapse etc.

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If you really think that wage slavery is comparable to being owned by a human, then you’re delusional.

Yes, slavery and child labour still exists. But if you think living in the US or China or India in 2024 is just as bad as 1850, then you are also delusional.

Some countries like Afghanistan or North Korea might be objectively worse, but those are a minority.

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Have we? Or do we just call it something else and make sure not to look?

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Slavery still exist in USA. 13th. In the south they still have kids working legally on farms.

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Did we, when?

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Thank you, I needed a bit of optimism. 😀

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Optimism is the enemy of progress. It just feels like delusional thinking at some point, and breeds complacency

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Humans are wonderful. Not always good, not always reasonable, but wonderful.

We are rich, nuanced, vibrant beings. A small portion of us are defectors but by and large we are community focused and willing to give when we feel we are not being taken advantage of.

Unless you think all your friends, yourself, and your family are garbage it is inconsistent to assume a random sampling of humans would not display the same prosocial traits you find in them.

The one thing we are incapable of doing though is handling power.

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All these claims are simply taking a look at a different angle.

It’s like saying “cars pollute” and you reply with “but have you seen the beautiful colours they come in and how much faster than mules they are”

You are not wrong but neither are the people claiming humans are, as a herd, fairly dumb and incredibly selfish

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neither are the people claiming humans are, as a herd, fairly dumb and incredibly selfish

wtf? by what standard?

Humans frequently band together during disaster, humans care for their young and old, humans don’t typically engage in cannibalism of the weak, humans rarely fight to the death or even serious injury, we live in cities of millions with astonishingly low rates of violence etc etc

where is this terrible selfish stupid behaviour? what standard are you comparing the species to? we’re more violent than orangutans but they’ve never set up water sanitation so I think we can call ourselves smart and we’re less violent than chimps or gorillas… are you comparing us to fictitious ideal beings or what?

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The title reads: “we can solve the climate crisis, but we won’t”

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So we’re doomed then

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“trump” in this context has lost all of its former meaning.

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The trump card lost its meaning the moment it got the orange man in jail

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