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72 points

Supposedly New Zealand straight-up denies people for ever recieving psychiatric help. It’s insane. I’m wondering about the shit show that’s going to happen when LGBT, POC and disabled Americans are actually forced to start fleeing the US, only to find that countries tend to have laws against US citizens seeking refuge, against people with disabilities immigrating, etc.

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Most Americans don’t realize that the U.S. is by far the easiest developed country to immigrate to, by a country mile. It’s still an incredibly difficult feat, but our standards are really, really low. For most developed countries, you’ll need to have a specialized, useful education, a significant amount of capital on-hand, a clean bill of health, and you’ll need to learn a new language.

My “plan” for a Trump election is to try and get a student visa to complete my PhD in neuroscience, and then I’ll overstay and escape to the European wilderness as an illegal immigrant. I wouldn’t hold my breath for a promise of asylum.

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14 points

Most European countries offer PhDs in English and have a rule where if you actually graduate in that country and get a job in the same field, you can stay.

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1 point

If you can afford to pay for the school. Even the nations that have free universities only offer it for courses taught in the native tongue.

Of course, educational cost is so absurd in America right now that can still be cheaper. US federal education grants can even be received in some of those countries.

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7 points

Yeah. I’m absolutely fucked. See you on the other side I guess.

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-4 points

No it’s not?

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5 points

Awwwww there goes that plan.

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68 points

Belgium, Germany, Spain, The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, France to name a few. Also Mexico for some reason

Did you actually look or are you just upset?

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me after I accidentally spread misinformation on the internet

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7 points

It happens! You’re learning!

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1 point

You can edit the post with *apparently not all countries

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3 points

As a German, afaik if you want to permanently move to germany you need to prove that you can support yourself financially (or someone else will?), so you will need a job offer and or some savings.

There is no requirement to not be disabled, but being disabled could make fulfilling those requirements more difficult.

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This is true for the US as well. It’s why legal immigration into the US isn’t as easy as people would try to pretend. Other than a student visa, you are required to have a sponsor. Whether that be a family member or significant other that can support you, or a place of business that is going to be paying you a salary so a person can support themselves.

There are also limitations based on country of origin. Some countries don’t have that much “competition” when it comes to people applying for citizenship, so they can get through the process quickly. Other countries have huge populations of people attempting to immigrate, causing year of delays on processing paperwork. That is why “illegal” immigration is so common in the US. The process is bogged down in bureaucracy and paperwork, all of which generally require time/money/legal representation. Something a majority of US citizens could not afford if they had to do so to stay in the country.

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2 points

It seems like half the planet dislikes disabled people, really

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45 points

Australia & New Zealand deny immigrants with an autism diagnosis!

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15 points

Source? Fucking wild

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Not defending the policy (it’s indefensible) but as per that article there was a single case 20 years ago of a rejection because of Autism which was overturned. So I don’t think it’s fair to say Australia doesn’t allow people with Autism diagnoses to immigrate.

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33 points

Wait, who what now? I’m not aware of any extra immigration requirements based on your health situation. I certainly didn’t get asked when I was a migrant.

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47 points

To where? If you migrate to Canada you have to pass medical exam and all

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12 points

Wat

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43 points

It makes sense if you remember that the universal healthcare system is insurance.

So if you are trying to migrate without a job but with an expensive disabillity and little money, then you are just a liabillity to the healthcare system.

And since the country is under no obligation to pay for the care, there is no reason for them to do so.

It is just basic resource management, you may not like it, but it is reality, regardless of what political system the country uses.

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22 points

I guess it is about proving that you can provide for yourself otherwise you won’t be allowed to permanently stay. But this doesn’t really have anything to do with the healthcare system. Just a guess.

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15 points

Lots of places have this, I wouldn’t be able to be a Canadian citizen because of it.

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Okay, so that’s two for Canada, one for “you have to prove you have a job or resources to support yourself, but no specific health care requirement”.

Gonna guess this is a Canadian thing, then? Or at least a thing in some places but definitely not “all the countries with good health care”.

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14 points

I’ve only looked at Canada and Japan personally, but I can add that Japan also does this. The process of immigrating is to effectively prove you’ll be a net positive on their economy if you live there, limiting disability is one way they can do that.

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Places with social net for people with disabilities don’t just want people coming in and being a burden on the system.

In theory, as a citizen you’ve paid your due in taxes until you became a burden.

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5 points

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/notices/changes-medical-inadmissibility-policy-irpa-take-effect.html

I think there is some thought going on about what it means as a society to discriminate against people with disabilities during immigration.

It seems like the US would have a similar problem with people moving between states that had medicaid expansion and ones that do not. I don’t know if there are any studies on the issue.

Discriminating during immigration based on a congenital disability feels like discriminating based on race to me.

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28 points

As a skilled worker with a kidney transplant, I am painfully aware of this.

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