Real question. I would like to know what drives you to hate Apple? (In terms of privacy of course because in terms of price it’s another story).

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  • price
  • closed ecosystem that funnels you into buying more overpriced hardware
  • general feeling of superiority apple customers often seem to aquire

(e.g. my former project lead refused to touch other peoples devices because using them “doesn’t feel like apple, eww”)

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All that.

BTW, of all the drivers on the road, I always hated Volvo drivers who sport an Apple sticker the most. They’re pure entitled no-good scum. Except BMW drivers, they should be euthanised.

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8 points

What kind of image do Volvo drivers have where you live? Here Volvos are just seen as reliable but boring.

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Here in Slovenia they have this sort of hipster/yuppie clientele, basically the same demographic as the smug Apple users, that’s why you see so many with Apple stickers. Usually they drive the estate version like XC70. The new SUVs are more for the executive smug base, though, but obviously they’re still scumbags. :)

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Overpriced hardware comes with a boon: It lasts longer. I am by no means an apple fanboy, but when I discovered the 12 year old Mac of my dad still performed like mid-range PCs with Windows, I was quite surprised.

Still not buying their hardware though…

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Except a 12 year old Mac isn’t supported by Apple anymore and will likely be riddled with vulnerabilities. You could just load Linux on it since it’s probably an Intel based chipset.

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As long as the OS was supported, updates were available.

But yes, I loaded a nice Fedora on it… 😉

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It depends on the chipset. The big changes in chipset have been the big barriers for Mac upgradability. My father ran a 10 year old MacBook that was still running the latest MacOS until he found that his 4GB of RAM wasn’t going to be enough and bought a new one (without talking to me first). I had a PPC MacBook that ran on the latest MacOS for about 6 years after Apple switched to Intel.

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Check out Louis Rossman on youtube. Especially his apple hardware design analysis.

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Rossman has a vendetta against Apple ever since he got caught importing counterfeit batteries (You can’t slap the Apple logo on batteries that Apple did not make, even if you call them “refurbished”)

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1 point

Decide what good for me

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Golden cage.

Their way or no way.

It’s really simple.

Oh adding to that, ever since I received the knowledge: the support, guru or whatever appointment? Worse than doctors and I hate that too. Why??

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Their way or no way

The one Apple product I still own is an iPad and I run into this constantly.

  • Support for network shares in the files app is barely functional at best (“Just use iCloud!”)

  • Mouse support is still super limited (“Just use touch!”)

  • You can’t install applications from anywhere but the appstore (“sECuRIty”)

  • You can’t install a proper browser or browser extensions (I don’t know even know what Apple’s excuse for this one would be)

  • You can’t disable or modify window tiling (“It’s just like an iPhone, because fuck multitasking!”)

Apple sells the iPad as a computer replacement, but basically all its capable of is watching Netflix or basic note-taking. The longer I use this thing the more I want to buy some x86 tablet that I can just install Linux on instead.

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Apples excuse is Battery Life since their mobile safari is apparently more energy conserving than other browsers.

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It is true that a real Firefox on iOS/iPadOS is missing. But otherwise you can’t say that your iPad is ONLY used to watch Netflix 🤣 I mean, some people replace their computer with an iPad!

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I’m being hyperbolic with that last part, but there’s so much basic computer stuff that the iPad can’t do that it feels like Apple only expects this to be a device to watch Netflix on.

I want to install VS Code (or a comparable IDE) and run/debug some Python scripts, can’t do it.

I want to open a terminal and use basic utilities like ssh, curl, tar, yt-dlp, rclone, rsync, etc, can’t do it. I literally need to install a separate app that lets me ssh into a Linux box so I can do basic stuff there. I’m SOL if I need to work with any data on the iPad’s file system though.

I want to install Godot and continue playing around with game development on the go, can’t do it.

I want to install Steam and play some indie games, can’t do it.

Procreate is pretty good, but I’d rather use Krita.

Which means despite the fact that I want to use it for more, all I do with my iPad Pro (“Pro,” lmao) is watch movies and TV from my Jellyfin server, occasionally draw if I don’t feel like sitting at my desk with a proper Wacom/Krita setup, and write my shopping list.

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I do like their laptops, but for literally everything else: the fact that I basically don’t own my own hardware.

I can’t install or distribute my own software without Apple’s arbitrary approval. When Apple decides it’s done supporting the products, I can’t even install a different OS like Linux because the hardware is completely locked down… they become paper-weights.

That is not how ownership is supposed to work.

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In what way is the hardware locked down? Is this something new with the M chips?

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Everything except the Mac line has a locked boot process. So your iPhone or iPad must run the latest iOS, must have an Apple ID, must source apps from Apple, and Apple has gotten so good at securing their devices that its basically killed hobbyist jailbreaking.

Anything you do on these multi thousand dollar devices is only because Apple allows you to— reluctantly, I might add.

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8 points

What could you not install Linux on? I’ve never had that issue.

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I was able to install Linux on my 2015 MBP, but weird stuff didn’t work OOTB like the webcam and while I eventually got it working, it was less than polished because it was all reverse engineered workarounds by the Linux gods who managed to figure out the exact commands that were needed to be run.

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My 2011 iPad 3rd gen.

A lightweight Linux distribution would make that thing killer for word processing and document reading. Might even allow YouTube videos to be watched again.

Any equivalent Android tablet would have custom ROMs etc. to get a bit more functionality out of it. I know it’s not a tablet, but look at the Samsung galaxy SII - the amount of community development for that is incredible to this day.

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I mean, I wouldn’t expect to have custom Linux ROMs for an iPad. For an Android device, which is already Linux based, that would make sense. But it wouldn’t surprise me if the newer iPads had builds for them since they’re built on the same processor as the MacBooks

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Seeing as no-one’s answering the question in terms of privacy (although I agree with their sentiment)

Trust. You have to trust that they will respect your privacy. They actually talk a good game, are probably superior in privacy to the average android (but not GrapheneOS or Linux) in so much as they fend off other entities trying to hoover your data, mostly so they have exclusive access (at least to metadata, actual data may currently even be secure but that can change and possession is nine tenths and all that). At the end of the day, they’re a greedy mega-corporation and cannot be trusted if they need to keep that line going up this quarter. I much prefer transparent systems that keep me in control and possession of my data.

I like their hardware, excellent build quality (shame about long term support and e-waste though). Will probably pick up a cheap M1 Air once Asahi linux stabilises.

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Yes, thank you for answering the privacy issue. To be honest, I use Apple products but not so much iCloud. I’m in the Proton ecosystem and I’m waiting for Firefox to become less terrible than it currently is, otherwise in the meantime I’m using Safari with AdGuard…

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