12 points

What if I don’t like the new movies because jj Abrahms can’t direct for shit?

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16 points

Checkmark lens flares?

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4 points

Good call.

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5 points

Try Beyond. He had basically no involvement.

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7 points

I’ve seen it, it’s definitely the best one.

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I dislike Discovery, not true to Gene’s vision.

It stopped being sci-fi and started being fantasy when they started with magical tardigrades and “time bugs”. The rest plays like a space marines series.

Edit: also the spark and flame throwers on the bridge make it look like GWAR concert.

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what about the special needs holograms that fail if you blink at them in the wrong way. What the hell was that about?

This is what happens when a stupid person tries to write a clever character. There’s no actual intelligence it’s all just stupid magic loopholes that our character knows for some random reason that makes no actual logical sense.

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Thankfully TOS never did any fantasy stuff like galactic barriers, Trelane, massive green hands in space, or Abraham Lincoln. That wouldn’t have been true to Gene’s vision.

I’m not a fan of Disco either, but tardigrades and time bugs are really low on my list of complaints. Star Trek did lots of even whackier stuff over the last 60 years (or did everyone forget the “Fun with DNA” episodes of the 90s?). In fact, that time bug episode was probably the best 32nd century Disco episode. Which is a low bar, but anyway.

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I guess my issues with stuff like the tardigrade, time bug, spore drive, etc. is that it’s just taking something from earth and putting it in space and saying it’s the “space version”. It’s so lazy and stupid. At least TOS usually had some interesting reasoning behind why these things were happening or they were different enough from anything on earth that at least they felt novel and innovative.

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Gene would have loved Discovery because it let characters say “fuck” and there’s nothing and no one Gene hated more than the censors.

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17 points

I dislike Discovery because it focuses on one main character instead of the entire crew.

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3 points

Oh no, am I gonna hate Discovery? That sounds decidedly un-star trek.

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7 points

Michael Burnham is somehow more valuable than everyone else in Starfleet when it comes to saving the universe. Then saving it again. Then going to the future and saving it again. It’s a bummer cause there are some great characters but no one does deus ex like Michael and yeah it does not feel like Trek

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That’s kind of exactly what I don’t like about it and part of why I call it a “space marines” series. Gene’s vision is of a future where different life forms come together and work under a unified code and for the greater good. It’s not about one person rising to power and being the hero.

It feels like they are trying to graft the Star Wars theme onto Star Trek with hand wavey magical “forces” that don’t have even the most tenuous link to science, and singular heroes that make anything that’s worth happening happen. The original series at least tried to give a nod to the scientific consensus and then try to extrapolate it out.

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I: Am just not interested in

Star Trek:

  • Discovery
  • SNW

Unspecified (specify): They’re prequels.

I already imagined the backstories for the shows I’ve seen… are you not supposed to? A prequel isn’t going to ever line up to how I imagined the backstory (how could it, everyone has a different imagination) so there’s always going to be dissonance with a prequel. Not that I hate these shows, just not interested in them.

Make Star Trek Legacy and move the story forward pls, thx.

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In my mind Strange New Worlds is in a parallel universe. Not the mirror universe, or the Kelvin universe, but another another universe.

But I want to go back to DS9 darn it. I want to know how that all ends.

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Sorry, I’ve already imagined the backstory of Discovery Season 3-5. Those centuries are now off-limits.

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Yeah well Discovery totally messes with the established timeline. They have a ship that’s more advanced than anything we’ve ever seen on screen before and yet, it’s pre TNG, eh?

It’s not that I don’t like the writing, or the characters, but the least (literally the very least) they could do is have a bit of respect for the source material.

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Don’t you also imagine future developments of the stories you enjoy? I’m already imagining what Starfleet Academy is going to give us, doesn’t matter if it’s a prequel or not. I just have to set my imagined version aside when the actual show airs.

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3 points

SNW is so good I’d sooner toss TOS if forced to choose (which I’m not). The musical episode is vastly better than Turnabout: Intruder.

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5 points

I dislile TNG because Q. I will be arguing with dissenters in the comments

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15 points

I disagree - you dislike TNG for completely different reasons.

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7 points

Shit. You got me.

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5 points

Tangent, but I had a generally positive opinion of John de Lancie based on his work in Trek and Days of Our Lives (I am so old) and various interviews I’d seen over the years until I saw Jenny Nicholson’s video about the last Bronycon. De Lancie had some involvement in a film about the Brony phenomenon and she was in a green room with him a few times. Apparently he was pretty rude and showed contempt for his fans. 🙁

Disclaimer: Not a Brony myself but Jenny Nicholson can make anything interesting.

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De Lancie invited the local bronies in my area to attend an opera he was narrating. I attended and he came and hung out with the bronies afterwards, saying he wanted to thank us for sharing our thing with him by sharing his thing with us. He stayed late after, signing autographs and chatting with people, for so long that I think he may actually have missed his flight. He was a super sweetheart. Maybe he needs to vent about the nasty fans behind closed doors sometimes, but I can’t begrudge anyone that. I recognize that it’s only one data point, but he made the effort to do something nice for us on his own initiative, was incredibly generous with his time, and was kind to me, personally. I will always appreciate that.

EDIT: Also, it was a free event so it’s not like he was trying to sell tickets or anything, and there were less than a dozen of us so I doubt it was a self-serving PR move.

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Glad you had a good experience. I guess people are never as simple as the boxes we try to cram them into, and fandoms can be both a blessing and a curse.

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3 points

Most Q episodes are hit or miss and almost all of TNG season 1 is bad but I still think episode 1 with Q putting Picard on trial is a perfect introduction to TNG.

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4 points

I dislike LD because it’s too hyper.

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It does get less hyper as it goes on, but only to a point.

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