EightBitBlood
Let me explain this simply so you understand the point I am making:
What would you have Ukraine do? Slow down their conscription? Stop it entirely?
Alright, heres the game theory results on how changing their conscription rates will effect this war and it’s consequences:
Outcome 1: No changes to conscription, Ukraine wins the war. Russia leaves their territory.
Result: hundreds of thousands of dead, you get to complain about how many died from conscription. Most importantly, this war doesn’t reach Europe.
Because once it does, all those images of war you’ve seen will get much much worse, and the body count much much higher.
This is the likely outcome of all our other options.
Outcome 2: Ukraine changes their conscription laws. Less are forced to enroll to defend their country. Their population is MAGNITUDES smaller than Russias, so without the broader conscription laws, they no longer have a fighting force large enough to withstand the endless wall of North Korean and Russian meat being thrown at them.
Result 2: Russia steam rolls Ukraine. Gets a foot hold on Europe. Declares war on NATO. Starts WW3 and likely the end of peace and modern civilization as we know it. Death toll in the millions, and lots of worse war pictures for you to clutch your pearls about.
But hey, Ukraine no longer exists, so you don’t have to be critical of their rough conscription laws anymore!
Outcome 3: Ukraine loses the war anyway. The above happens anyway.
Result 3: Again. No reason to be critical of their conscription laws, because they don’t exist as a country now.
Sure, it would have been nice if they had a fighting force large enough to stop Russia’s push into NATO and Europe. Especially considering the force that has historically stood up to this bullshit on the world stage, the US, has now broke bad and aligns with Russia.
Ukraine is not just defending themselves. They are defending the entirety of Europe and NATO, which is why there’s so many emergency meetings being held to by both to help them.
Point being. Ukraine conscription is a necessary evil to prevent the worst outcome of Russias actions. If you want to be critical about death and war, then maybe understand how worse WW3 would make all of this, and how Ukrainian conscription is literally the biggest thing holding it back.
Because that’s how NATO and the Ukraine see it. And that’s how you should see it too. Thinking otherwise, that this isn’t a very likely threat, is to ignore all the images of war you want me to look at.
Ukraine conscription is to prevent those images from being all across Europe.
From Arizona / Mexico:
Birria, especially Birria Ramen. It’s slow cooked meat in a broth of spices and a bit of onion and Chiles. It’s fall apart tender, and usually served with melted cheese (Queso Birria). But my favorite version is served on top of Tapatio Ramen. So it’s fork tender beef with spicy noodles.
Really great on a cold day.
Funny thing is, I’m from the East Coast of the US, so actually have a bunch of favorites from there that are really worth giving a try too.
Especially a REAL Cheesesteak.
Shaved Ribeye cut thin and grilled on a hot surface for a char. Grilled and charred onions and green peppers. Add it to an Italian soft roll that’s warmed, NOT toasted. Melt on top of it either Cheez Wiz (an Aerosolized Cheese snack that’s awful by itself) or American cheese. Mix it all together on the bun along with a few slices of Italian peperonchinis and a couple dashes of celery salt.
Incredibly unhealthy, but quite an experience if you ever get to try one (or make one yourself! I’m literally eating one I made for dinner right now haha 😂)
Why do Ukranian people want to leave their country?
That’s unquestionably what’s causing every problem you take issue with, so why aren’t you also taking issue with that cause?
Ukrainian conscription exists because Russia invaded them.
You blame Ukraine.
The US is sending refugees they previously welcomed back into a war zone because our government is now aligned with Russias.
You blame Ukraine.
Without Russia, none of your problems with Ukraine would exist. And more importantly, all the problems you have with Ukraine are already far far worse in Russia.
It’s pretty clear you’re either arguing in bad faith because you drank too much propaganda, or you’re working for the FSB.
Eitherway, your arguments are making Russia happy. Which means history is going to make you look like the idiot you’re acting like in supporting them.
Your comment was about how bad it is to cater to the Saudis.
Shitting on Dems isn’t needed to make that point. At all.
Unless your point was actually about shitting on Dems in the first place, and using the Saudis as an excuse.
Which is the point I was making, and now you are too:
Does every negative comment about Democrats need a caviat also condemning Republicans to be valid?
You can shit on the Saudis without shitting on a political party.
Instead, you’re just using “Saudis bad” as an excuse to attack Dems.
How does that do anything to further your point about the Saudis being awful? Your point is lost, and you just sound like every other brainwashed American.
My dude. So you understand what a war is and how it works?
Do you understand how Russia has done the same?
Do you understand how 500,000 Russians are now dead because of that?
Do you understand that those 500,000 dead Russians are invading a country they promised peace with in 1995?
Do you ultimately understand the point you are making is about how the citizens of the Ukraine are being forced by Russia to either fight for their country or die?
Because that is the policy you are defending despite it clearly being the reason there’s 500,000 dead Russians and not the other way around.
If you want to decry military enlistment as “evil” then you are by far picking the worst example. Russia is far worse in their policies, with a far higher body count, and they are the reason anyone is dying at all.
Which means you are either making your arguments out of bad faith or pure stupidity.
If your argument was made in WW2 it would be about how evil the US is for defending Pearl Harbor.
You’re arguing for the pros of living in Germany post WW2. Because if WW3 happens, the US will not be on the side of the good guys.
Im sorry you lived in a 3rd world dictatorship. I imagine you moved to the US to escape that. I would very much like to preserve the freedom that attracted you to this country in the first place, rather than be complacent as we break bad due to social medias firehose of propaganda.
If you can’t make an argument without a political scape goat being attached to it, then it’s a bad argument.
Trumps son took 2 billion from the Saudis against the financial advice and suggestions of every expert they hired. It was, by all accounts, the largest in plain sight bribe ever witnessed.
Your argument is only a Dem problem if you cherry pick their name to attach to it.
I wonder what the Ukrainian people want.
Especially the ones misplaced to the US by a war Russia started, and now have to return to a war zone because the USA is now politically aligned with Russia, and willing to break international treaties, law, and ethics if it gets them Putins favor.
You’re an absolute idiot it you can’t comprehend the international seppuku the USA has just committed by failing to help displaced war refugees, and instead now helps their aggressors.
Anyone with a shred of humanity would see this as the evil bullshit it is.
Instead, you’re pointing out that a country at war needs to conscript troops. No shit. Check out how Russia is doing it, if you want a real comparison to call inhumane.
Neo-fascist USA has literally threatened war with Canada and other neighboring countries, so if you think you won’t be on the front lines in a nonsense war started by fascists, then history has a very important lesson to teach you.
Chances are you and other Americans will be fighting in Ukraine alongside Russia by next year at the rate this clown show is excellerating.
There’s no American freedom in Neo-fascist USA, just whatever the broligarchy wants. The rights and freedom you, and every previous generation of Americans fought for are pretty much all gone now, so you are sorely mistaken if you assume you now have any.