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Genius at work.
I think a lot of the guilt you’re feeling is your own and not created by these alleged vegans. I know a lot of vegans and also vegetarians and they’re almost apologetic about their dietary choices. Of course, both your and my experiences are anecdotal but I find it hard to believe a vegan actually actively tried to guilt you into anything. Which isn’t to say their mere presence doesn’t cause you to feel guilty about your eating habits.
I’ve been on reddit for more than a decade and that’s not my experience. Maybe you’re particularly sensitive in regards to dietary choices and the opinions surrounding them? Or maybe those posts you’re referring to are not actually meant to guilt-trip you?
Saying you don’t care about something others care a great deal about obviously is going to offend those people (see also: Religion). Being offended isn’t the same as guilt-tripping, though, and it’s a far cry from being “as obnoxious as people shouting that abortions are evil” or “being a cunt”. These comparisons alone suggest it’s a little bit of a deal to you. That, of course, is just my interpretation reading two of your comments and is in no way meant to be a judgment of your character or person, I’m just trying to convey what comes across on my end.
The fact that you’re seeing “a solid link between” veganism and anti-abortionists makes me not want to continue the discussion, sorry.
I believe my point was rather clear, though. You claimed that “literally every vegan” you met online is “extremely preachy”. I do not believe that and told you about my experience on which I’m basing my objection. This is generally known as a discussion and its point is to share opinions and generally interact with other people. The fact that you’re interpreting this as an attack shows that this is a very emotional subject for you. Another reason, I don’t think this discussion is worth continuing.
But it was his plan!
I do believe you don’t think this is an emotional subject for you, I really do.
But then I read your comments and get a different impression. This is not making assumptions, it is looking at facts and calling them out. Maybe you could take a step back and honestly think about the emotions you experience while you’re writing these comments. Or stay mad about people giving you feedback on the way you behave. Whatever tickles your fancy.
“I’m fine with discussing veganism as long as the vegans stop making objectively true but uncomfortable points.”
The first point is obviously subjective (and your interpretation) but the other two are facts. Animals need to die for you to be able to eat them and somebody intentionally killed them in order to sell them to you for consumption. Calling this murder is a bit polemic but not factually wrong as it’s an intentional and pre-mediated killing - the thing we call “murder”. And yeah, if everyone stopped eating meat, climate change would slow down because fewer resources would be spent on breeding and raising cattle. It’s a scientifically proven fact and also kind of a no-brainer. You don’t think people will stop eating meat but that doesn’t make the point any less factual.
I do eat meat, by the way. I just don’t deny uncomfortable facts and don’t get angry at people stating them. This is exactly what I meant when I said your guilt is your own. You know these facts are true but you don’t want to confront that. This makes you uncomfortable to the point that you lash out at vegans who you perceive as guilt-tripping while they’re just stating facts.
It sounds like you already have counterarguments to those two points. Why not make them in a discussion instead of refusing it outright based on what you perceive as weak arguments? I’m not vegan and won’t argue about the merits of these arguments, my only point is that it’s unwise to refuse a discussion unless your opponent adheres to arbitrary rules you postulate.
As to your second paragraph, I think you’re referring to a different commenter. I don’t believe I made a point about believing something to be possible. Please do correct me if I’m missing something, though. I do agree with you here. Lab meat won’t save the climate. But, to be fair, that wasn’t your original point which talked about forgoing meat consumption altogether. Which I don’t believe will happen since we can’t even reduce car sales but it could definitely be part of a solution for climate change.