mormund

I see, it happens, apology accepted :)

Well since you love fallacies so much I will overlook your appeal to authority and just quote the guy, who ever the heck he is.

This is not to deny, of course, that Russia invaded Ukraine and started the war.

So yeah. What else did I claim when I said that Putin is directly responsible for the war?

Please enlighten me how I defended anyone’s actions in Yugoslavia or even mentioned anything about that conflict at all.

Rational analysis, where you are incapable of addressing any wrong doing of the one person that declared an offensive war? Please attack me personally instead of acknowledging that maybe it is not so good to march into your neighbors territory and bomb their cities. But you do you. I’m sure you have your reasons.

Hypocrisy would be if I blindly excused anything NATO did or held them to a different standard. Which, you may recall, I never did.

What you’re being told is that what Russia is doing is no different from what the west has been doing

Okay so what Russia is doing is the same as NATO, which is bad because what NATO does is bad? Or is it justified and NATO is also justified in their actions?

And yes I would claim you vocally support Putin and Russia, because you seem incapable of critique of a war that he is directly responsible for. And note that I’m not even claiming sole responsibility in that sentence.

And if you are wondering, I can certainly offer some critique of NATO and the US.

Desperate to do what? Understand their comparison better? Not sure what you imagine my goal is

Ah, well it was surprising you mention that other part in your comparison so vividly. And I’m not sure where I stated anything at all, aside from the fallacy of what-about-ism in regards to NATO and Russia. The rest you interpreted yourself.

What I don’t understand is why “leftists” like you feel the need to vocally support an oligarch and dictator, instead of being able to say that the war in Ukraine is a pointless waste of human lives for which Putin is directly responsible as the aggressor.

So you are saying that Russia recognized separatist regions in Ukraine as a front to ultimately destroy Ukraine? And it is ok because NATO does the same?

That is a nice big quote you got there. But it doesn’t say anything about right-wing governments, coups or anything the like. And I said, for the sake of the argument I’ll pretend with you it is true.

Of course, surrendering is a great defensive strategy. I’m sure WW2 would have been a whole lot shorter if Stalin just capitulated right away. But I’ve got another brain tickler for you. The aggressor can end a war immediately, by not even starting it :)

Even if that were true (and I don’t think even Putin is still pretending that this is what his special operation is about), you think the right recourse is to invade that country and attempt to annex it into your empire? Killing hundreds of thousands in a war of attrition? Really amazing peaceful moves from the certainly democratically elected leftist Russian president, bravo.

Ah, yes of course. How could I miss how supplying the people of a sovereign nation with weapons and intelligence in a defensive ground war against a foreign invader is building an empire. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

That is just what-about-ism. The US doing bad things is no reason to allow other nations to fight imperialistic wars.