Comment by canihasaccount@lemmy.world on Samsung going all in on Google Messages in US, stops pre-installing Samsung Messages on Galaxy phones

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17792695

After slowly phasing the app out in some regions, Samsung has announced that it will no longer pre-install Samsung Messages…

Sorry, what? Not sure if you’re joking, but Americans use texts because they’re free and the ability to use them comes preloaded on the phone (no need to download something that takes up more space). I have Signal and WhatsApp on my phone for my international friends, but I use texts to communicate with US friends because RCS works with everyone and it’s integrated much better into my phone, watch, etc. than any app can be without an absurd amount of permissions given to the app.

Not sure if you’re joking, but Americans use texts because they’re free and the ability to use them comes preloaded on the phone (no need to download something that takes up more space).

The entire rest of the world doesn’t whine about such things and just uses a 3rd party messenger that works the same across all platforms.

You’re the only one whining. People use SMS in the US because it’s free and completely interoperable with every other phone. If you send someone an SMS you know with great certainty that it will be received. Bragging about everyone using Meta to communicate is not the dunk you think it is.

If you send someone an SMS you know with great certainty that it will be received.

Not to get too bogged down in this debate or anything, but this European is surprised you say that SMS is reliable. One of the great motivators to use web-based messaging apps is because SMS is so notoriously unreliable, with messages occasionally not receiving or sending. Has SMS reliablity been improved much in recent years? Or is web-based messaging less reliable in your experience?

Genuinely curious btw, I’m not in the same party as the troll elsewhere in this thread.

In the US at least reliability hasn’t been an issue in 15 plus years at least…

I personally occasionally experience delayed sending/receiving of messages, or messages suddenly coming in in bulk. Only very rarely do messages not come in at all thankfully, but mostly the occasional delays in sending/receiving I think led to the reputation of poor reliablity for SMS. But it makes sense that the US would try to keep those issues to a minimum if so many people still use it, whereas in Europe perhaps it’s less of a priority?

I cannot recollect EVER having problems sending SMS, which is not something I can say for any other text messaging platform. Maybe that’s just me. However that’s irrelevant, as the point that I was making is that EVERYONE has SMS. You don’t have to ask anyone “Hey do you have the SMS app?” You just ask for their number and fire off a message and Bob’s your Uncle. If you want to send them a WhatsApp message and they don’t have WhatsApp, it is a 100% guarantee they will not receive your message.

Ah, I see. Your point isn’t necessarily reliability but availability. It’s an interesting perspective to hear that the US appears to be so behind (at least from a European perspective of course) when it comes to messaging apps. As far as SMS reliablity goes, I have occasionally had messages not send, or have messages come in delayed considerably. Or stuff like 2-factor auth texts not coming in, requesting a new one and then suddenly receiving 3 at a time. Not deal-breaking or anything, just the occasional annoyance.

I don’t think WhatsApp allows you to send a message to someone who doesn’t have the app. So WhatsApp would just inform you. Although I don’t recall the last time someone did not have either WhatsApp or Signal installed. But again, that appears to be far more common in the US?

Do you ever miss the extra features that web messaging brings, like in-chat polls, voice messages, etc…? I’m not sure how much of that RCS supports (because almost nobody uses that here). To me it seems like the convenience of web messaging outweighs the “does person x have app y” question, but that’s probably because I never really have to ask myself that question.

I also just realised that you state that everyone has SMS messaging. There are phone plans available here that don’t offer SMS messaging anymore. You can still receive them, but sending them either doesn’t work or costs a high premium (obviously this disadvantage is offset by a lower price for the rest of the plan). I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if SMS eventually just gets phased out.

Your point isn’t necessarily reliability but availability.

It’s both. If it’s not always available, it’s not reliable.

It’s an interesting perspective to hear that the US appears to be so behind (at least from a European perspective of course) when it comes to messaging apps

I don’t think we are, at all. Sure some other countries have a unified messaging platform, but all of them are corporate-owned, controlled, monitored, and not federated. In that regard it’s barely a step up. Ideally we would have something like email (but of fucking course not email, because its atrocious) that doesn’t require any corporation or centralization involved, where we could run our own or choose which entity we want to host our data, and would be interoperable across entities. Anything short of that I wouldn’t consider much of an advancement (except Signal).

But again, that appears to be far more common in the US?

The only people that I talk to on Signal are the ones that I’ve been able to force to use it. If they send me messages on FB, IG, SMS or whatev, I just wont reply to them. I think there are quite a few more that use WA but I don’t know because I refuse.

Do you ever miss the extra features that web messaging brings, like in-chat polls, voice messages, etc…?

Nice to have but not necessary and not worth it.

I’m not sure how much of that RCS supports (because almost nobody uses that here).

Much like iMessage, Google Messages is the messaging app that comes pre-installed on most Android phones, so people who have those phones use them. There aren’t many but there are some. RCS is pretty dreadful, currently. iMessage is by far and away the most popular chat platform here, and is largely responsible for Apple’s local dominance in the smartphone market. Especially among teens it is WILDLY popular. Apple is moving to add interoperability with RCS soon (thanks EU).

There are phone plans available here that don’t offer SMS messaging anymore

I’ve never heard of such a thing.

I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if SMS eventually just gets phased out.

Not around here, for sure.

I’d still rather use meta tho (which end to end encrypts the content) than unencrypted plaintext shit that goes straight to the government.

Yes that’s all well and good if the person you’re trying message uses WhatsApp…

The fact you think Meta won’t hand over your data is sad. If you think they can’t save your “encrypted” messages you’re delusional. Their business model is selling user’s data. You can take it to the bank they have a backdoor built in.

The fact that youre illiterate and you’re hallucinating stuff i never said, is sad. I will address your concern however.

If you think that they are actually not encrypting the message content, then you’re a conspiracy theorist. They have thousands of other ways to track the user and give metadata to law enforcement. There is no need for them to lie about protecting the messages, as none of the regular users care about that. They had more than enough users of Messenger even before it was E2EE.

You’re the only one whining.

No, I’m actually very amused by Americans’ unwillingness to install a proper messenger and whine about green and blue bubbles.

Bragging about everyone using Meta to communicate is not the dunk you think it is.

The only messengers I mentioned by name were Signal and Telegram. You must me have confused with someone else.

whine about green and blue bubbles.

The only people who whine about that are children and Europeans.

No, I’m actually very amused by Americans’ unwillingness to install a proper messenger and whine about green and blue bubbles.

No one is doing that. You must have this thread confused with another one.

The only messengers I mentioned by name were Signal and Telegram.

While I agree that Signal is an excellent choice, almost no one uses it, which is exactly why its an insufficient replacement for SMS. It’s been pointed out in several threads that WhatsApp is basically a societal expectation in Europe so I assume that’s what your referring to.

Telegram is the only option that’s even worse than Meta.

No one is doing that. You must have this thread confused with another one.

All those stubborn Americans do that, whether they spell it out all the time out not.

While I agree that Signal is an excellent choice, almost no one uses it

Not with the attitude to refuse to install 3rd party messengers in the first place.

It’s been pointed out in several threads that WhatsApp is basically a societal expectation in Europe so I assume that’s what your referring to.

In different regions around the world, different messengers are the norm (for example Line in Japan). Only Americans are zealous defenders of archaic SMS.

Telegram is the only option that’s even worse than Meta.

Lolno.

whether they spell it out all the time out not.

Okay so you admit you were just fabricating this argument?

Not with the attitude to refuse to install 3rd party messengers in the first place.

It doesn’t matter what your attitude is.

In different regions around the world, different messengers are the norm (for example Line in Japan)

Do you live in Japan?

Only Americans are zealous defenders of archaic SMS.

Once again, you’re fabricating arguments. No one is defending SMS. But it’s the only method that gets the job done 100% of the time, regardless of what apps are installed on your phone.

Lolno.

Bruh it doesn’t even have E2EE…

This is such a dumb take… “Lol Americans all using SMS! We prefer to install 4 different messaging apps to talk to people, and can’t do shit if we end up in an area with low reception”

10/10

area with low reception

American problems

Which is why Americans use it? Sorry you struggle to put two and two together…

Which is why Americans use it?

No, American iPhone users use iMessage. American Android users wished they had iMessage. It’s an ideological thing.

No, American iPhone users use iMessage and think they’re superior. American Android users don’t give a fuck and think it’s hilarious that iOS users think they’re superior because they used dumbed down devices that nag for money everywhere.

You should consider staying in your own lane…

Australia checking in.

Everyone can send and receive SMS. It’s always the primary /default contact method.

Close friends can be contacted via whatever third party app but there’s no single platform everyone uses other than SMS.

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