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Plot twist: America does agricultural collectivization in the 2030s

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We already do, I implore you to learn how the omnibus agriculture bill that goes through congress each year actually works. Most food production is entirely government funded, but for some reason a bunch of “profits” also get skimmed off by big corporations. Rural America only exists because of farm subsidies (which isn’t a bad thing, it’s just dumb to pretend like it’s not collectivized and allow leeches to profiteer).

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Government subsidies are not the same thing as collectivization. Collectivization implies collective ownership, under Capitalism what you have instead is usually consolidation, where large farms buy up smaller competitors and become less efficient over time. America’s approach to agricultural policy is how you get perverse incentives like speculators buying up land in order to collect government money to not grow anything.

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yaaay finally the US can experience famine and starvation as well! 🎉

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Finally? Did we forget the great depression and the dust bowl?

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Not classified as a famine

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In both the Soviet and Chinese famines, collectivized farms outperformed privately owned ones in terms of food produced per hectare. Without collectivization, those famines would have happened anyway, and they would have been worse.

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Really? Why did they allow those private farms at all then? My understanding was that the farms that were collectivized only produced enough for themselves to eat, so they went back a little and said “okay, you can have SOME capitalism until we get it figured out”. How they figured it out was quotas, and hey, on paper it looks good. You just have to tell Stalin a good number. Somehow the store room’s still empty.

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