A police officer dragged Miami Dolphins wide receiver Tyreek Hill out of his car and then forced him face first on to the ground during a traffic stop

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I’m not going to defend Hill’s actions as correct, but if someone is an asshole do the police get to do anything they want?

Hard to justify him getting pulled onto the ground, knelt on, and handcuffed.

If he didn’t want to open the window (and I’ve already heard everything about how maybe they couldn’t see inside so it was a safety hazard - fine) - doesn’t opening the door solve the entire problem? The door was open. Shouldn’t that have been all the escalation of this situation that was required?

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A cop having to open the door is the point where you’re getting out from behind the wheel of the car you wouldn’t shut off.

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Thought exercise: where is the line of justifiable behavior? If they shot him is that justified? If not, then there must be a line somewhere.

But I can tell you it’s not a subjective thing, and the courts have ruled on things like this. Everyone has rights, even “Lil assholes” like Hill. I don’t care for him at all as a person. He might be a shitty guy, but everyone gets the same rights.

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The line has always been simple. If you feel you’re in the right, comply then, file charges later. Also, don’t be a dumbass. If you get pulled over for wreckers driving and speeding, don’t leave your loud ass car running, the window up, refuse to roll it down, refuse to open the door, and be a dick. If you act like you’re being dangerous, you’re going to be treated like you could be dangerous.

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