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137 points

Why are they getting so much attention for it?

Nintendo does the same with BoTW and ToTK. Long dev cycles that releases a functional game without micro-transactions.

FromSoft does the same with most of their games. Where people actually beg them to release DLCs.

But no… it’s Larion they seem to go after.

Nintendo is huge. FromSoft has their own cult. But Larion? What’s can they blame there? Nothing. Most big studios that bitch about this is larger than Larion. Maybe because they are more scared that if Larion can do it. There’s no excuse anymore.

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39 points

I think it’s due to the little guy making a huge wave that other people don’t feel they’re “allowed” to make. These other devs work on “AAA” companies working on big name titles from studios everyone has heard of so. But now a small, indie studio comes along with a grand slam and they don’t like it kind of makes them look bad by comparison. Showing you can release a big complex game without it being an absolute buggy mess, doesn’t need microtransactions, doesn’t need to sell millions of copies to be considered a success, and isn’t just a copy paste of the previous game with a handful of modifications made to slap a new “FOR SALE” label on it…

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24 points

But now a small, indie studio comes along with a grand slam and they don’t like it kind of makes them look bad by comparison.

Larian is similar in size, if not significantly larger, than Bethesda when they made Skyrim.

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17 points

Less established though. I’d say that Larian wasn’t on most gamers’ radar until Divinity Orginal Sin 2.

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7 points

“AAA” in price tag only.

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4 points

You’re not referring to Larion as a small indie studio right? They are not a small indie studio.

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19 points

I personally think this is because gaming journalism isn’t real journalism. They don’t actually care, they just want clicks and perceived relevancy when people repost their tweets to reddit

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6 points

“They don’t actually care, they just want clicks and perceived relevancy when people repost their tweets to reddit”

Kinda sounds like real media to me then lol they all suck if they’re major corporate media.

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1 point

A lot of journalists do care, but they also have a job to do and a boss that tells them which articles to write.

Like I don’t care about whatever business my company is competing in, but I’ll keep working for them because they pay me.

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2 points

but I’ll keep working for them because they pay me.

That’s just it, you can move to a different company that has a better working situation in environment. You just have to be a brave enough to fight the inertia that keeps you where you’re at.

And in fact, if you want your salary to steadily increase over your career, you’re supposed to move from company to company every couple of years.

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I think the “problem” for those people is that the game broke out of its bubble. nintendo, from soft and also larion up until now all had their own bubble of fans. Larion broke that mold and even people who have nothing to do with the genre celebrate it.

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Critical mass has been achieved.

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18 points

There was plenty of distaste for Elden Ring when it came out – devs at Ubisoft I believe ridiculed how the UI wasn’t informative and such.

I think AAA studios are terrified because they’re seeing just how much consumers value quality over quantity and MTX bullshit. Games that should be in self contained bubbles are now hitting mainstream and becoming absurdly popular.

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14 points

Lmao Ubisoft of all folks should shut the fuck up about UI, they are literally the source of the meme about cluttered and overly complicated UI. If Ubisoft is complaining about a UI I have to automatically assume it is a good UI.

Also, if AAA developers have been paying attention for the last decade, they would know that consumers have valued quality and shown disdain for MTX since MTX started becoming pervasive. MTX overall can generate a lot of revenue, but it isnt sustainable, hence why there is always some sort of FOMO characteristic included with the MTX system, making things limited time and constantly shovelling low effort “new content” to fill out the MTX system.

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2 points

They’ve been working for almost a generation now on changing the mindset of gamers as to what they should expect from a game, and here comes a really good game from a little known studio doing exactly what games used to expect before the mind changing was attempted.

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45 points

Most of the Sony exclusives are the same. God of War, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima.

Just solid AAA single player games, no nickel and dime bullshit.

Every F2P model is predatory as fuck, and relies on taking advantage of whales over a prolonged period.

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18 points

…but I paid full price for D4 and still got a half baked game with an invasive in-game shop.

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4 points

I’m as frustrated with D4 as the next guy, but I’d hardly call their in-game shop invasive. Their MTX has been minor and cosmetic thus far. There are far better examples including one within the Diablo universe.

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32 points

Not to victim blame, but if you looked at everything Blizzard have done over the last 10 years, and thought “maybe this one will be different” then perhaps the problem is you.

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7 points

Don’t forget the battle passes.

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4 points

Dota 2 did it really well, it was and still is an amazing game, and you couldn’t pay to get any gameplay advantage.

I sank a lot of money into it just to support such system.

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20 points

I agree with you, thing is: Nintendo produces Nintendo exclusives, so it doesn’t affect the gaming space as much as other games might

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The lesson here is you can trust most big Japanese publishers/developers and it’s the opposite for American/European ones. Christ, Death Stranding was almost ruined by all the “subtle” product placements they put

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Kojima got away with his product placement in mgs3 because nobody in the west knew calorie mate was a real product lol.

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