Comment by Flying Squid@lemmy.world on The gender wars continue 🥹

This is not my personal opinion, I know Gen Z men who voted for Harris. But the voter demographics really speak for themselves, and maybe now people will look at the radicalization of young men as a serious (but solvable) issue.

Why didn’t you mention any of that?

Because men in prison, in numbers exponentially more than women, is a much bigger problem. One that you don’t seem to care about.

Also, you still haven’t told me if trans men are men, so I guess you don’t think they are. Especially when you said “women who are now trans men” as if they weren’t always men.

So this is some weird TERF crap. I’m not interested in that sort of bigotry.

Women who are now trans men weren’t always trans men, were they? Maybe they thought of themselves as women for a long time before changing their mind.

What a bizarre argument to have in a thread showcasing your lack of understanding for the kind of things men actually care about and politics in general.

Yep. You’re a TERF.

You win. Men have lots of exclusively male problems because, uhh (checks notes), I refused to play your Shibboleth game about trans people.

Don’t turn this around on me. You said something that is some bigoted TERF shit about trans people:

Women who are now trans men weren’t always trans men, were they? Maybe they thought of themselves as women for a long time before changing their mind.

Would you say this about gay men and women too? I doubt it.

You’ve made it very clear you don’t think trans men are men, so I’m not sure why you’re avoiding it now.

A minute ago you were defending men’s rights. Now you want to have a philosophical discussion about the nature of gender? I’m happy to have that conversation, and I doubt we ultimately disagree, but why? What possible bearing does it have on our disagreement over whether “nobody cares about men’s issues?” When in fact as far as I can tell our entire society is organized to help young men succeed.

You can keep lying about what I was saying, but the fact that you can’t say the simple words, “trans men are men,” has laid your bigotry out for all to see.

And lying about what I was saying will not get me to deviate from said bigotry. Not when there are trans people I care about.

Trans men are men.

Trans women are women.

No amount of lying or queerphobia on your part changes those things.

I wouldn’t say that about sexual orientation because unlike gender, sexual orientation can’t be changed, as far as I know.

Philosophically there are two schools of thought. Either gender is arbitrary (1), or gender is not arbitrary (2). If the former, then people’s gender is entirely determined by their preferences, and it can change. If the latter, then there are factors outside of one’s preferences that determine their gender, which cannot change based on personal reflection.

Most people believe that gender can change (position 1). Ergo, my phrasing. Trans men are men. (And gender can change based on your preferences). I’ll freely admit I phrased my reply in a way intended to confuse and annoy you.

Because men in prison, in numbers exponentially more than women, is a much bigger problem.

I agree, but other men disagree. They don’t care or consider that a problem at all. Have you met men?

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