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77 points

There is a manual override in Tesla cars but the feature is not widely publicized, experts say.

Tesla isn’t the only culprit here. Any manufacturer that makes cars with electric doors should be required to also have a prominent and easily reachable manual override, instead of hiding a tiny lever underneath the armrest or on the floor, or behind the person’s seat on the pillar somewhere, or any fucking place that isn’t where you would expect a door handle to be.

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64 points

Should just be a law to have a regular fucking door handle, we don’t need fancy/electric doors. Telsa’s should all be taken off the road with their shitty track record.

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2 points

Yes please, I vote for this one

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-3 points

IIRC it’s because if the frameless window setup Teslas use - it needs to wind the windows down slightly before you open the door, so it uses an electronic control to tell the car to do that.

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14 points

So a shit design, yeah, that’s what we’re talking about.

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13 points

Ok, just like other brands do with regular fucking handles? All convertibles have that, the handle is still mechanical with an electronic switch to lower the window, but if the switch doesn’t work it doesn’t prevent you from opening the door!

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23 points

What? Regulating Elon’s enterpreneuments? In this fine coming year of Trump 2025?

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13 points

Considering he will be leading a government department he just called “DOGE”, along with the rest of Trump, I’d say the USA is royally fucked, Tesla will be the least of their troubles.

You reap what you sow.

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1 point

This is morbid but one of my favorite “butterfly” effect news stories in the last year was around the death of Angela Chao after she backed her car into a pond while intoxicated.

Okay, so - here’s the setup:
The Chao family is a very wealthy family. In the 1960’s the family patriarch got into the shipping business and has done very well, garnering money and power. Wealth and power beget wealth and power. Mitch McConnell is even married to one of the daughters - Elaine Chao.
Well, Bush appointed E. Chao to Labor Secretary during his presidency. Mind you, she’s not just Mitch’s wife - she has been in government since the late 80’s. One of the talking points in republican circles during the Bush years was that there was a massive decrease in worker safety complaints. They attributed this to businesses behaving themselves and say that this is evidence that self-regulation can work. What was learned later is that OSHA simply didn’t enforce many regulations or follow up on many complaints, instead choosing to focus on trying to find fraud within unions.
Cut to Trump. He appoints Elaine - still Mitch McConnell’s wife, and daughter of a transportation magnate - to be the Department of Transportation’s Secretary. The ethics concerns notwithstanding, the department hand waved many things through, such as the tesla doors mentioned in the article above, as well as the Tesla Model X’s confusing forward/reverse system, which is cited as being a reason for the death of Angela Chao, her sister.

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19 points

Or, you could just have the door handle be the manual override.

It is a laughably easy thing to have the release for the door from the inside be the same kind of mechanical door release we’ve always done, for obvious safety reasons, and then have a little solenoid which can also trigger the release of the mechanical door release if the computer wants it to open.

The only reason to do it otherwise, and then need a separate manual release handle, is if you are okay with people dying in exactly this fashion so that you can make your shiny thing in the exact shiny way you want to make it.

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-5 points

Teslas need to crack the windows before you open the door, that’s why they complicate the door release. If you don’t give the computer a moment to move the window before the door opens you can damage things.

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14 points

You keep pointing out the design flaw, but I think we are aware that its a flawed design.

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5 points

Didn’t bmw have this in the 90s…?

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5 points

“They had to work around a shitty design flaw with another flaw.”

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1 point

So just like any convertible?

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7 points

Thank you for giving the explanation, but I think you’re getting flamed for it because it sounds like you’re saying that decision makes sense.

They introduced the design constraint. They can remove it, or work around it mechanically. They chose not to, and instead made a death-trap on purpose. I’m sure they had their reasons at the time, but they are by definition bad reasons if they led to this outcome.

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1 point

Why is that obvious design flaw relevant?

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13 points

Tesla isn’t the only manufacturer of doors with frameless windows. They are the only ones I know of who have electric-only door latches.

The computer can have the window cracked before the handle is fully pulled. And if it fails to do so, the door opens anyway.

A better solution is a fucking window frame.

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6 points

On at least the model 3 and Y it’s fairly intuitive for the front seats. For the rear? Not so much.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F64E0.html

Note Not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors.

:/

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5 points

It should be as intuitive as getting out of any car, a regular handle.

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18 points

That’s abysmal. Let’s make it’s extra hard where children are far more likely to be.

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… the back doors that have child locks already on them so THEY CANT be opened by said children…?

That’s what argument you want to use? Seriously? Lmfao the shit people come up with sometimes.

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2 points

And have the presence of mind to do this after a collision and the vehicle is on fire.

There’s a reason that building egress (at least for commercial) is the way it is, with things like push bars and opening outwards. It’s because people do not think clearly in emergency situations.

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11 points

Who the fuck thought this up

  1. Remove the mat from the bottom of the rear door pocket.
  2. Press the red tab to remove the access door.
  3. Pull the mechanical release cable forward.
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14 points

It is so intuitive, just disassemble the door when the car is on fire.

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