Lemdro.id

7 points

12 days ago

Brontosaurus is gargantuan, so you’d have to do a lot more than side step to get out of the way.

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Archpawn@lemmy.world

5 points

12 days ago

Call it what you want. By RAW, it’s a DC 15 Dexterity saving throw to avoid damage regardless of the size of the falling creature (beyond that if it’s tiny it does no damage at all). And that’s assuming you’re playing with the optional rules for creatures falling on other creatures causing damage.

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2 points

12 days ago

I’ve seen that rule before. They didn’t carry it forward into the new rules, and for good reasons.

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Glytch@lemmy.world

2 points

12 days ago

That rule comes from Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything which is compatible with the 2024 update so it’s still a valid RAW interpretation according to WOTC.

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1 point

11 days ago

They carried forward all the other optional rules from Tasha’s, and not the that one. Clearly they didn’t like something about it.

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Glytch@lemmy.world

2 points

11 days ago

They didn’t carry Artificers forward into the new PHB but they’re still a valid class. This rule not being in the newest books only means it didn’t need modification to fit with the new material not that it is no longer valid.

2024 is not a new version that completely replaces 2014, it’s an update where things stay the same unless they’re mentioned in the newer material, hence all the official adventure books being compatible with 2024.

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2 points

11 days ago

I’d agree in general, but they copied the other rule about falling into liquid off the same page from Tasha’s without modifications and not the rules for falling onto other creatures.

They specifically chose not to have those rules when it would have been no effort to add them.

And they did update falling, by adding the section about falling into liquid, and describing it as a hazard.

That signals to me they very clearly did not want those rules as the new baseline for the game.

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Susaga@sh.itjust.works

7 points

12 days ago

Nope. The rules for falling on a creature don’t factor in size, except for if it knocks the target prone. The check is DC15.

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-2 points

12 days ago

Nope. Those rules are optional, and dumb, and now outdated.

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Susaga@sh.itjust.works

8 points

12 days ago

First of all, if I’m the DM, you don’t get to tell me not to use a rule.

Second of all, there will not be a situation where I use the 2024 ruleset. The 2014 ruleset is still around, and still usable, and anyone calling it outdated is an idiot.

Third, this is the only official rule given for this situation. If we don’t use it, there is no rule for falling on someone and we resolve it however I like. And since you just tried to interrupt my monologue, I’m not inclined to be generous.

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-3 points

11 days ago

First of all, lol, we are probably not very compatible.

Secondly, they are literally outdated in an official capacity. I find they are improved for the most part, but have fun being so self-righteous about them.

Thirdly, no, they have improvised damage rules, which they specifically list large objects falling on players as examples. Improvised damage under Combat in chapter 8.

That rule was optional in an add-on book most tables won’t have, and didn’t get brought forward into the new core rules, unlike the other optional rules. There’s probably a good reason for that.

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Susaga@sh.itjust.works

3 points

11 days ago

There’s a lot of things I can say about this. To summarise:

Just because WotC wants you to use a new product doesn’t mean the old product is outdated.
If WotC supports the Pinkertons, I don’t support them. But have fun letting your morals fall apart so you can consume product.
The Tasha’s rule expands on a rule from the DMG. If the rule were to be updated, it would be in the DMG, not the PHB.
Most tables don’t have the DMG either.
The new PHB doesn’t have most subclasses. The only reason stuff was omitted was because there wasn’t enough space or time to add them in.

All of that hardly matters, because you responded to a DM ruling by saying “nope”. No shit we’re incompatible. At the VERY least, I want my players to respect me.

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0 points

11 days ago

That’s what all the new content for the next 10 years will be based on. The old core rules are still there, but everything new will be based on the new books. That’s a lot like saying not everyone will be playing a sequel, which is true, but the community will shift over to it in time. The new PHB is there fasting selling book ever, so that gonna be pretty fast. Especially once more new content comes out and is incompatible with the old rules
I don’t care about your moral argument here, even if I agree with your stance, that’s not what I’m here for. If your stance is that strong, I would recommend leaving DnD behind and moving to Pathfinder or another alternative, otherwise every new discussion will be covering materials you refuse to consume (for completely understandable reasons). Your players are going to want to something from the new rules at some point, and you will have to be the bad guy there. Even by being here and discussing the game, you are consuming the new rules and driving engagement with them.
Ok? The new DMG is out. This rule is not in there.
I find that unlikely. Everyone has the free rules, and a lot of the DMG content is in the free rules. You’d have to find some way of doing encounter math, which the free rules has, but I’m sure a lot of paper players have the DMG, even if just for that.
They updated falling in the new PHB, including adding a DC15 (Athletics) or (Acrobatics) to change a fall into a dive when falling into a liquid to take half damage. Your telling me they couldn’t have added a very similar rule, or even added onto that section to include falling onto other creatures if they wanted to?

Your right, all of this doesn’t matter. This rule takes the fun out of dropping something big onto someone as size doesn’t matter for fall damage. Players might as well drop themselves onto the BBEG, same effect. You killed my fun, so I’m not participating with you.

If a simple nope ticks you off that much, I’m not sure who you could play with. Do you remember every rule interaction off the top of your head? Never get anything wrong? I play with players and DMs of vastly varying skill and experience levels and everyone gets something wrong every session. If someone corrects them and they snap about respect, whether DM or player, that’s a bridge too far and we would all be having words afterwards, if it didn’t derail the session right then and there.

Respect is something which is earned and goes both ways. Saying your rule is law like your Aku doesn’t seem very respectful.

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