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32 points

Tankies support the more problematic empires such as Russia and China.

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Did you not read the meme? Imperialism is bad no matter who is doing it, and arguing over which empire is more ‘problematic’ is counterproductive, as we should oppose all empires instead of wasting all of our time and effort on getting on each other’s throats.

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-7 points

true, being rude to other people is bad. We should stop being rude and criminalize it.

wait…

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8 points

Less problematic in some ways, more problematic in other ways. We shouldn’t be supporting the “less problematic” empire. We should be fighting any and all empires.

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4 points

What’s that behind your back? Are you hiding a pile of severed children’s hands because they didn’t harvest rubber fast enough??

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3 points

Goodness, thanks for reminding me, now I won’t sleep. Regardless, THAT empire is thankfully gone.

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3 points

It’s literally the same empire you live in

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And in doing so they may have pushed large parts of the Chinese-American community to the right. Tankies caping for the CCP were not a good look for the moderate immigrants who had been fucked over by the Chinese government in various ways.

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they may have pushed large parts of the Chinese-American community to the right.

That’s just the Gusano effect, frankly. Why would someone who supports the ML regime move to China’s self-nominated existential enemy, after all?

No, those who oppose just come over here and Yeonmi Park themselves all over the place. You see it in ever single “Castro took my grandfather’s plantation” wannabe-settler who conveniently leaves out that el viejo’s plantation was staffed by slaves; I expect exactly the same out of Chinese expatriate capitalists afraid they’re next (when there’s actually still hella billionaires that haven’t been milled yet).

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“moderate” immigrants from China don’t exist. You can’t be moderate between two entirely different and incompatible socioeconomic systems.

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More problematic to whom? The US literally changed the political direction of my country and fucked us over real hard.

Where are the chinese wars and regime change operations? At least Russia only attacks its neighbors at most so countries far away have nothing to fear, unlike the US invading and destroying countries all around the globe.

Call them empire or whatever, but being unable to admit that the US is the bigger threat to real freedom in the world only contributes to the causes of the biggest and arguably most brutal empire in history, that is in constant state of war since it was founded.

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5 points

Maybe it doesn’t matter which empire is more problematic.

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9 points

Well, at least global south countries are gonna have to choose between them or play both sides at best to survive the foereseeable future, so at least in some instances it does matter.

What will Nigeria choose? Chinese or US exports, loans, cultural influence etc

No country can be fully independent from the world around, so they do have to choose allies and foes.

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More problematic to whom?

people living under the threat of them

Where are the chinese wars and regime change operations?

cold war (they did the same as the us, but just lost), tibet, uigurs, taiwan, mongolia, and don’t forget their brutal mining operations in africa

At least Russia only attacks its neighbors at most so countries far away have nothing to fear, unlike the US invading and destroying countries all around the globe.

but in return the us only conqueres nations far away from them (at least in the last 100 years), also that’s not really better, russia got a lot of neighbors

the US is the bigger threat to real freedom in the world

imo, it purely depends on the region you’re looking on

most brutal empire in history

historically britain outcompetes them imo, but in the 20th century, yes they were, now I’d say china tho, just look at their actions in africa, they’re kinda repeating briyish history there

but it’s nice, that you have manners and don’t want to ban everyone disagreeing with you like some on grad

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You just went through a regime change operation of Russia. Or did you think Trump and all those extremist right-wing governments in Europe won all on their own?

Putins propaganda machine made those happen. They infiltrated so many social media groups spreading lies to make everyone more xenophobic so they can invade Ukraine and all previous USSR regions without them getting help.

On Lemmy, they are mostly hiding in your instance.

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3 points

Rachel Maddow hollowed out an entire generation of liberal’s brains. Everything bad is because boogeyman.

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You’re just repeating the meme.

They are all bad, they are all part of the problems we face globally, and whatabouting “them” to avoid facing criticism of “us” only serves those in power by deflecting criticism of them.

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I wonder why a westerner who gets their news from english speaking western sources which profit off of the same wealth extraction as the empire they are part of would think like this? Surely the western free press would not be influenced by the whims of capital and empire. Obviously China and Russia must be the “worse empire”, my empire told me so!

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4 points

Well, just personally speaking, I know Russian, and reading Russian news sources (state-owned as well as those that have been banned by the Russian state) from time to time, and talking with Russians directly, hasn’t even remotely convinced me that the “Russian empire” is equally bad as the “western empire”.

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The vile Russian Empire, with its Romanov dynasty, super problematic. If Peter is so great, why does he look so wimpy compared to Joe Rogan? Hah, those stupid tankies don’t even realize the Chinese empire has been abolished for over 110 years!

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-2 points

Sorry for being snarky… Of course modern China is an empire. Just without overseas military bases. A soft empire, one might say.

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They gettin into the overseas military bases; talkin’ bout Djibouti and a lil’ Cambodia as a treat

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without overseas military bases

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Garrison

And if you’re gonna say Hong Kong doesn’t count because it’s already been assimilated into the empire, that’s not great evidence against it being an empire.

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