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Who attacked who again?

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Does your definition of “attack” include locking people in a church and burning them alive? How about sponsoring Neo-Nazi paramilitaries to murder and rape people for seaking a language? Shelling cities and civilians in defiance of international cease fire treaties?

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I don’t mean to get in an argument, because that isn’t at all productive.

I wonder though - if Russia hadn’t illegally occupied Ukraine/Crimea, would that have happened?

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I wonder though - if Russia hadn’t illegally occupied Ukraine/Crimea, would that have happened?

If Ukrainian neo-Nazis hadn’t trapped ethnic Russians in a building and burned them alive, would Russia have invaded?

My point is: there are no good guys in this conflict. Just two bad guys duking it out, with regular schmucks like you and me getting murdered for no reason. Anything that prolongs the conflict is bad.

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“I am not debating you.”

“Here, now let me debate you.”

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history started the day russia invaded and nothing happened in ukraine between then and the collapse of the USSR.

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Good point never thought of it like that before. I love Bill Clinton, Neoliberalism is radical. Did you know he played the saxophone? So cool. Slava USA

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Ukraine violated the ceasefire and attacked the DPR and LPR days before the invasion happened:

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How many guesses do I get?

First guess: China. Bad.

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I think my question was misunderstood.

Your original post makes it seem like you think NATO are the bad guys here because they are supplying weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves.

I asked “who attacked who” because to me, it seems pretty clear that Russia, a dictatorship whose government has a history of human rights violations and disregard for human life, is doing a bad thing when they invade a neighboring country and start shooting missiles at civilian homes on a daily basis for a year and half.

Could you explain how this is not a clear “Russia doing bad thing, we should help Ukraine” situation?

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23 points

Ukraine to defend themselves.

Do you think the people of eastern ukraine have a right to defend themselves?

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Your original post makes it seem like you think NATO are the bad guys here because they are supplying weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves.

nato is willing to fight to the last ukranian, going so far as scuttling peace talks, which you can read about in a ukranian Pravda article about Boris Johnson’s visit.

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NATO is mostly responsible for the dead Ukrainians. Ukraine has no reason to fight this war. If they lose, fine, the Russian part gets renamed and a higher minimum wage. Only rich assholes lose out. If Ukraine wins they get dead sons and burned schools but the US oil companies are happy.

It is pretty clear Ukraine shouldn’t be fighting this war for the US companies.

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I understood. It’s an unserious question, so I gave an unserious answer. China isn’t militarily supporting Russia. They sent some kids toys and the same raw materials they exported everywhere anyway.

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Don’t bother. There is no actual intelligence or reason there.

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