You are viewing a single thread.
View all comments View context
12 points

Who attacked who again?

permalink
report
parent
reply
29 points

Ukraine violated the ceasefire and attacked the DPR and LPR days before the invasion happened:

permalink
report
parent
reply

history started the day russia invaded and nothing happened in ukraine between then and the collapse of the USSR.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

Good point never thought of it like that before. I love Bill Clinton, Neoliberalism is radical. Did you know he played the saxophone? So cool. Slava USA

permalink
report
parent
reply
46 points

Does your definition of “attack” include locking people in a church and burning them alive? How about sponsoring Neo-Nazi paramilitaries to murder and rape people for seaking a language? Shelling cities and civilians in defiance of international cease fire treaties?

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points

I don’t mean to get in an argument, because that isn’t at all productive.

I wonder though - if Russia hadn’t illegally occupied Ukraine/Crimea, would that have happened?

permalink
report
parent
reply

I wonder though - if Russia hadn’t illegally occupied Ukraine/Crimea, would that have happened?

If Ukrainian neo-Nazis hadn’t trapped ethnic Russians in a building and burned them alive, would Russia have invaded?

My point is: there are no good guys in this conflict. Just two bad guys duking it out, with regular schmucks like you and me getting murdered for no reason. Anything that prolongs the conflict is bad.

permalink
report
parent
reply

“I am not debating you.”

“Here, now let me debate you.”

permalink
report
parent
reply

How many guesses do I get?

First guess: China. Bad.

permalink
report
parent
reply
14 points

I think my question was misunderstood.

Your original post makes it seem like you think NATO are the bad guys here because they are supplying weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves.

I asked “who attacked who” because to me, it seems pretty clear that Russia, a dictatorship whose government has a history of human rights violations and disregard for human life, is doing a bad thing when they invade a neighboring country and start shooting missiles at civilian homes on a daily basis for a year and half.

Could you explain how this is not a clear “Russia doing bad thing, we should help Ukraine” situation?

permalink
report
parent
reply
23 points

Ukraine to defend themselves.

Do you think the people of eastern ukraine have a right to defend themselves?

permalink
report
parent
reply

Your original post makes it seem like you think NATO are the bad guys here because they are supplying weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves.

nato is willing to fight to the last ukranian, going so far as scuttling peace talks, which you can read about in a ukranian Pravda article about Boris Johnson’s visit.

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

Don’t bother. There is no actual intelligence or reason there.

permalink
report
parent
reply
19 points

NATO is mostly responsible for the dead Ukrainians. Ukraine has no reason to fight this war. If they lose, fine, the Russian part gets renamed and a higher minimum wage. Only rich assholes lose out. If Ukraine wins they get dead sons and burned schools but the US oil companies are happy.

It is pretty clear Ukraine shouldn’t be fighting this war for the US companies.

permalink
report
parent
reply

I understood. It’s an unserious question, so I gave an unserious answer. China isn’t militarily supporting Russia. They sent some kids toys and the same raw materials they exported everywhere anyway.

permalink
report
parent
reply

World News

!worldnews@lemmy.ml

Create post

News from around the world!

Rules:

  • Please only post links to actual news sources, no tabloid sites, etc

  • No NSFW content

  • No hate speech, bigotry, propaganda, etc

Community stats

  • 5.7K

    Monthly active users

  • 11K

    Posts

  • 118K

    Comments