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36 points

Has there ever been a time in human history where we were just allowed to exist for our passions and not work for survival? Our economic system definitely has its flaws, but this meme paints with too broad strokes.

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Fight Club told that when man were hunter/gatherers we spend twenty hours a week working so it must be true.

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Harari claims something similar in his book Sapiens, so it might not be so far fetched. However, even then people would have to pay for being alive with their work, even if it’s less.

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Part of the reason why the transition to agriculture was so difficult, is because that is true. Agriculture is a lot of work, and requires a lot more labor time than the hunter-gatherer mode of production.

Of course in the long run, agricultural societies end up overcoming hunter-gatherer ones, because they’re able to support a much larger population.

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If they’re able to support a larger population shouldn’t it average out to less work?

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8 points

You know there are still hunter-gatherer societies. You don’t have to take Palahniuk’s word for it.

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I’m a freegan so I’m basically an urban hunter/gatherer.

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29 points

We’ve basically conquered scarcity at this point in history. There’s really no reason people shouldn’t have all their basically necessities provided today, but bcz of greedy assholes, they’re always in search of more money, so we don’t get that.

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30 points

There’s still a lot of actually important work that needs doing, like solving world hunger, poverty, and homelessness (which unfortunately most countries aren’t paying people to do, except for a few), but for the most part this quote is spot on:

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2 points

I don’t think regulators are a good example for something we have too many people doing, but otherwise, this is great

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16 points

think about whatever it was they were thinking about before someone came along and told them they had to earn a living.

This right here moved me. Not just because it’s so spot on, but because I don’t even remember what I was thinking about back then.

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5 points

Greedy assholes definitely ruin a lot for all of us.

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1 point

Yeah, childhood.

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The Renaissance was a time of a vast labor shortage. This allowed workers to demand higher wages, and it also allowed leisure time to study new things and make new art.

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8 points

This is true also when you have strong unions to bargain for good benefits. Still, you need to do some work, as opposed to the message of the meme “you have to pay for being alive”.

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9 points

Unions are a band aid solution to capital exploitation.

it’s still in their best interest to oppose automation so members can continue to work pointless jobs for a wage.

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If we’re talking specifically about art, historically, there was the patronage system where wealthy people would pay artists that they liked to largely just spend their days painting whatever they liked. It wasn’t something every artist could take advantage of (Van Gogh died a poor pauper because his paintings basically didn’t sell at all until after his death, for example), but it did exist.

Also, genuine question if anybody knows, what about the philosophers of old? Did they get paid as teachers of their school of theory or something?

It’s not like there was ever a time when people simply didn’t work at all, but there is a large portion of the population today who don’t feel like their work is anything other than busywork with no reason to it, and that makes them miserable even doing something that they love. There are people out there who love picking up garbage for a living because they know that they’re doing something that makes a difference.

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You don’t work merely for your own survival under capitalism, most of your labor goes to supporting the capitalist class (and bombing foreigners to keep resources cheap so those capitalists can make even more money).

Half a century ago, working in a grocery store was enough to buy a home, raise a family, and put a kid through college. The job did not get less productive, if anything each worker produces more than ever with automation, but a greater share goes to the capitalist class, both through stagnant wages and increasing costs.

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