Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from !vegan@lemmy.world for being fake vegans.
From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.
PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I donāt want to insult anyone here being a ābastardā. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.
PPS: Some instances or clients seem to compress the screenshots in a way theyāre unreadable. Find the full resolution here: https://imgur.com/a/8XdexTm
Linking the affected users and mods: @Cypher@lemmy.world @gaael@lemmy.world @gredo@lemmy.world @iiGxC@slrpnk.net @veganpizza69@lemmy.world @veganpizza69@lemmy.vg @jerkface@lemmy.ca @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world @Sunshine@lemmy.ca @Aqua@lemmy.vg
Veganism is in its core a boycott, so that is the default take. I donāt live in a big city so I donāt go to restaurants. If you read the link I posted, I think there are a lot of problems with restaurants that go beyond veganism and they are offensive to me as an anarchist. I strongly dislike businesses, business owners and I like to do things for myself. To that end the more I lean on a life of compromise the less I feel is being done. By organizing pot lucks, friends dinners, participating in my local Food Not Bombs and promoting home cooking I am building an alternative to the carnist structures in our world that is more meaningful than making an individual decision to go to a carnist business and give them money that they then invest in more carnist businesses. This is also why I donāt really like buying products labeled āveganā from meat companies or buying impossible burgers from Burger King, we arenāt convincing them to switch, we are participating in horizontal segmentation where they carve out two markets from one that donāt cannibalize each other. I used to have the meeting notes from an shareholder meeting at Burger King where the CEO explains this but I lost it in my international move a few years ago among all my boxes of computer stuff. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/horizontalmarket.asp
I think adding meat dishes to a vegan restaurant and still calling it vegan is offensive and anti-vegan. If you want to go to restaurants then I guess that is a compromise you have to make for your own reasons but I donāt think that it is vegan decision in scope. I donāt attack people online or in person for it but I donāt think youād be a good fit for a community of radical vegans and anti capitalists. I probably wouldnāt remove your comments from a message board like he lemmy.world one which is basically a vegan news community and appeals to beginners and transitioners but I would remove it from my instance. There is no requirement to go to restaurants in this world and my life got more interesting when I stopped going to places like that.
I think the easier it gets to be vegan, the more people will get on board.
But if they are not participating in the vegan boycott, are they on board? Iāve been a vegan for a long time and understand people are at different places, that said the biggest problem is recidivism. The longer you go as a vegan making compromises the less likely that youāre going to stick with it. For me this meant that at one point I needed to actually change my life and social groups to align with what I believe instead of forcing what I believe into a world that doesnāt agree and is hostile. For me this was a good decision, I made new friends, I have new things to do and Iām far more socially active as a mid 40s vegan in my vegan world than most of my old friends and coworkers are.
Veganism is in its core a boycott
Yes, itās about boycotting animal products and abuse of animals. But from my perspective, that doesnāt necessarily mean that you must boycott everything that is indirectly related to it. Of course you are free to do that but if your moral compass only considers 100% vegan restaurants acceptable, wouldnāt the same rules apply to supermarkets, hardware stores, workplaces, service providers, friends, family etc.?
If you cut all ties to the non-vegan world, youāllā¦ a) find yourself pretty isolated and b) will be having a hard time to inspire non-vegans to jump on board
offensive to me as an anarchist. I strongly dislike businesses, business owners and I like to do things for myself
Thatās fine and Iām also on board with many of these things. Still, being an anarchist or anti-capitalist isnāt a prequisite to become vegan. IMO also Donald Trump can (and should!) become vegan, independent of his political world view. I guess we both agree that his other political world view is pretty fucked up but that should be seen independent of his veganism status.
I think adding meat dishes to a vegan restaurant and still calling it vegan is offensive and anti-vegan.
100% agree. But from my perspective, neither myself nor any of the other commenters did call that restaurant vegan. That was never up for debate.
I donāt think youād be a good fit for a community of radical vegans and anti capitalists
If the community was called āc/radicalanticapitalistvegansā Iād agree. But neither the title nor the description nor the community rules imply that āc/veganā is adressing only this target audience.
Veganism is in its core a boycott
no, itās an ethical philosophy. are kosher Jews boycotting lobster?
Yes. I was raised haredi and we boycotted all non kosher businesses by not buying from them and building out kosher alternatives. I donāt think you know what the word boycott means.
thatās not a boycott. itās just acting on your beliefs. there is no political goal in abstaining from nonkosher businesses.
Isnāt that akin to saying āMuslims boycott porkā. A boycott implies youāre doing it temporarily with the purpose of achieving some change in the boycotted party. If something is a core way of life to you, itās no longer a boycott, as there is nothing the boycotted party could do that would change your mind.
