andy1011000 Proton CEO posted:
āPeople honestly seem to forget that I live in Switzerland, where Republican/Democrat doesnāt mean anything, and Trump isnāt even on our ballot to be voted forā¦ā
Onyx376. replied:
āThe point is that fighting for a more just and equal society is not just about fighting for the fundamental right to privacy but also for all other fundamental rights, including individual rights and life. When you, as the CEO of a company that starts from these principles, nod positively to whatever action a political figure like Trump, who is known for always flagrantly putting his private interests ahead of those of his own nation, makes speeches about eliminating minorities, hurting their rights as citizens and flirting with Nazi movements, it is understandable that members of the privacy community are disappointed as this reveals a little about who is being the face of a company that should follow contrary principles. But now we really know what āfreedomā means to you.ā
I cancelled my proton the other day, right after his post.
As alternatives:
- tuta for mail
- psono, keepass, passbolt (self hosted) for the password manager
- mullvad for vpn ( actually never used the proton one, I swear by mullvad)
Im still figuring out the drive, thinking of self hosting that too.
Good luck out there.
Are you happy with bitwarden? Its very tempting ā¦ Iām just concerned about it being in the US, where some agency could ārequestā data.
While I get the sentiment, what could possibly happen to Proton that makes it unsafe and you wouldnāt know? We already known they do comply with the law and hand over basic information.
But they do not give access or decrypt the actual content of your mailbox and thatās not because they choose not to but because it is technically not possible, or am I wrong about that. If the plan to change that it would hopefully become obvious through some announcements.
Same. After the whole AI fiasco and the crypto fiasco, this is just adding insult to injury.
The security vulnerability behind any decent VPN is the VPN provider. When theyāre signalling support of fascists and technocrats you need to move on because their mask slipped and their real motives have been exposed. The sheer gall it takes to pretend you can believe Trump supports privacy goals is laughable.
The question is really who is an actual alternative.
If you complie your clients, Proton cannot decrypt your data.
But thereās a lot more than Proton can do.
They could log your IP, the exact time you log in or use Proton services
They could keep a copy of every email you receive, most of them are probably unencrypted.
If you use VPN, they could log everything you do, they wont be able to decrypt the HTTPS data, but if they log all your traffic, it defeats the purpose of using a VPN.
They could potentially swap the web javascript, if you ever log in via browser.
When you send emails to another Protonmail user, Proton could potentially do a mitm and swap Protonās public key and make the other userās client think its your public key, and also give Protonās public key, and make your client think its that userās public key. Proton essentially act as a keyserver, so they could maliciously replace keys.
And most people donāt compile their user clients, so if you just download the clients they compile, they could just not use the source code to compile it, sending you a malicious client.
Thereās just a lot of attack vectors if the company itself becomes hostile.
