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edit: As I’m seeing a lot of worry about the impact this will/could have on the community, please be assured we have the same mod team, and will be holding the community to the same standards. the same things that were always allowed will continue to be allowed and the same things that got things removed before will continue to get things removed before. Lemmy.world admins have agreed to allow us to run our community on our terms. It is my pleasure to announce that effective immediately, we are transferring our community to Lemmy.world! This has been a few months in the making, so my entire mod team is already on board. FAQ: Why? That’s a complicated question with a long answer! The primary difference is moderatorial and ideologial differences between my team and Ada’s excellent team of admins. We are on good terms with Ada and her team, and have gotten her consent to do this. In addition to this, we have had ongoing issues with federation and moderation that has caused a subpar experience for many people on other instances. How does this work? Currently, as there is not an easy way to transfer an entire community (trust me, we checked), we are locking the community as mod-only, and moving our focus to the 196 on lemmy.world. For you guys, functionally nothing has changed. What about the posts? Well, we tried to transfer them, but there was no real way to do so without absolutely destroying lemmy.world’s federation. For this reason, we are simply archiving this community as mod-only. Everything is staying up, you just won’t be able to post new content. Comments are still enabled, so we will continue to check our modlogs for some time after the transfer has settled. As for the posts on lemmy.world’s 196, we’re leaving those up too. From this point onwards, all posts made to that community are beholden to the rules you are all used to, but anything pre-existing is getting grandfathered in.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE PUT THEM IN THE COMMENTS OF THIS POST, AND I’LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM. Once again, here’s the link to our new apartment of awesome. (universal: !196@lemmy.world)
This seems like it belongs more to fedilore, rather than here. Should I be allowing these posts? Rfc I guess
I think it fits. Mods could move to another instance, create a new community, post about it, etc. without fucking with the existing one.
Locking the posts on their way out seems like a spite move against all the people not wanting to transfer (a lot, based on the comments). They could jusy as easily hand the community over to new mods instead of killing it. Seems like it’s be better for the community and the fediverse in general and align better with what the community wants.
After they leave, Ada could easily grant a request to open it back up under a different set of mods… you know, if someone were to want that sort of thing.:-D
Locking posts with links to the other community is pretty standard practice. See !carnivore and !television or !carnivore@lemmy.world and !television@lemmy.world
!carnivore@lemmy.world was locked because it was a community allowing harassment
!television@lemmy.world didn’t cause any uproar as the moderation was similar between LW and Lemm.ee, and the communities were very similar as well.
In this case there are more than 250 comments on that post, the vast majority of them being negative. Not sure the situations are similar.
Isn’t locked, and seems like if it was in the past it was done to solve a moderation problem.
Looks like this was consolidated into a similar smaller community in a way that the userbase isn’t complaining about.
These seem like totally unrelated, dissimilar situations and don’t do anything to indicate what happened in the OP is standard practice.
I think the power tripping element here is that this seemingly happened in an instant without any (recent?) warning or communication to the users and it has to do with one of the biggest communities on lemmy
Though this isnt the typical senario where a mod abuses their power over an individual, so hmm
(I searched some fediverse drama communities, but didnt cover this issue.)
might be a bit borderline but probably fine, although it seems more like flouncing off than power tripping. would need more of a writeup to be drama/lore
someone on hexbear has posted blahaj admin ada’s message to the 196 mod team, relevant quote:
I have asked 196 for years now to have an active blahaj.zone mod so that someone can deal with the blahaj.zone reports that constantly come through and build up, but still, the best we got were mods with alt accounts that get checked every couple of days, leaving me to deal with the build up of reports on 196. Sometimes they would hang around there for days while I waited for a 196 mod to log in and look at them. And because you don’t like the way I deal with them, you drag me over the coals for my moderation style, despite no one from 196 stepping up to deal with those reports on a regular basis.
full text here https://lemm.ee/post/52977833/17597222
CLM
That throws the whole thing into a little bit of a new light. Moving to the community where it’ll be actively moderated makes quite a bit of sense to me, even if that means lemmy.world.
Then again, supposedly working moderation for moderators on remote instances is just around the corner with the next release. I don’t know if that is accurate, but this might have been a problem that was solvable if they were willing to wait a couple of months.
moderation is working, generally. it’s the lack of full report federation that is the primary issue currently.
On the other hand, that won’t come out until 0.19.20 reportedly, at the earliest, while iirc it’s been a year since Lemmy.World upgraded to 0.19.3, and were planning on doing an upgrade in January/February. So it could be another full year after the Fediverse gets it but before it appears on Lemmy.World? 😜
More to the point though, how do moderators of one of the most active and perhaps controversial communities across all of Lemmy not bother to check in for two days most of the time? The way this post words things, Ada is the one being abused here, even as they are being thrown under the bus for not doing all of the moderation work to their satisfaction. If I were Ada, I’d be somewhat happy to see them go (though sad for the actual users who get caught up in all this drama).
What is RFC? I don’t see it in the sidebar, I did a search and only found your previous post. If this is a new term, can you add it there to aid those of us with poor memories?:-D
Request for change, it’s more of open source/programming thing than this comm thing.
No. Request for Comments. RFCs are nearly finished proposals. They’re ways of projects to make announcements with a little bit of flexibility.
I agree the lore site is better
The mandate of power tripping bastards, seems to be if the complaint is true, then there are actionable next steps. Censure from the community, elevating to admin, etc
then there are actionable next steps. Censure from the community, elevating to admin, etc
Blahaj admin taking over and unlocking the community seems like an actionable next step
Yeah thats a good point, I suppose I subconsciously took them at their word they had coordinated with the admin teams of both the source and destination instances already.
