ICE agents denied entry to South Side elementary school: Chicago Public Schools(abc7chicago.com)

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“CPS will continue to protect our students and their families in alignment with the Illinois TRUST Act and Chicago’s Welcoming City Ordinance,” one school official said.

Chicago Teachers Union President Stacy Davis Gates called the situation “unprecedented” at a news conference Friday afternoon.

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xmunk@sh.itjust.works

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7 days ago

It absolutely was created out of pure racism and xenophobia but you’re wrong if you think people haven’t joined it to try and make it better.

I also agree it’d be wonderful if ICE simply didn’t exist. It’s mandate for existence is rotten to the core.

That still doesn’t mean it is entirely composed of people who want to perpetuate that harm. The view you’re supporting is the same one that discourages people from getting into politics because politicians are all useless. There’s a system and it does harm - some people join the system to try and reduce the harm it does.

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futatorius@lemm.ee

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6 days ago

That still doesn’t mean it is entirely composed of people who want to perpetuate that harm.

The vanishingly small number who join for non-malicious reasons and either converted into racist bullies, or are driven out, just like honest cops in a department that’s corrupt or racist.

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Arbiter@lemmy.world

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6 days ago

Joining the Nazi party to change it from within still involves joining the Nazi party.

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xmunk@sh.itjust.works

2 points

6 days ago

You bring up an interesting point. So do you think Schindler was wrong to act how he did?

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Arbiter@lemmy.world

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6 days ago

That’s a fair point, but you could also consider his factory still contributed to the war effort.

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xmunk@sh.itjust.works

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6 days ago

It absolutely did. Schindler contributed to the deaths of a vague many while saving some specific few.

If he had shuttered (and potentially sabotaged) his factory would more people have been saved or would he simply be replaced by a more cruel person who killed all those vague many and the some specific few.

It’s hard to know - and it’s why I take umbridge with viewing things through such a stark black and white lens. I legitimately don’t know the answer - either in that case or with ICE. But I know, simply due to the scale of people, that some people are genuinely trying to reduce the harm of ICE from within.

One thing to bear in mind is that Schindler is generally hailed for his actions - I don’t know if they were correct and optimal… but a lot of people do think they were praiseworthy.

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