“If the purges [of potential voters], challenges and ballot rejections were random, it wouldn’t matter. It’s anything but random. For example, an audit by the State of Washington found that a Black voter was 400% more likely than a white voter to have their mail-in ballot rejected. Rejection of Black in-person votes, according to a US Civil Rights Commission study in Florida, ran 14.3% or one in seven ballots cast.”

"[…] Democracy can win* despite the 2.3% suppression headwind.

And that’s our job as Americans: to end the purges, the vigilante challenges, the ballot rejections and the attitude that this is all somehow OK."

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The Democrats have plenty of problems, but none of that compares to Republicans who are worse in every conceivable way. Propaganda, foreign interference, and domestic voter suppression won this for Trump and his goons.

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I get the argument, but at this point, nobody is contemplating whether to vote Democrat or Republican. It’s between Democrat and apathy.

Comments like these sound as if during WWII the French were saying “well, the French army has plenty of problems, but Nazi German occupation is worse in every conceivable way, so there is no point criticising the French army”.

Everyone knows the Reps are Nazis. The problem with the Dems is not that they are not less bad than the literal Nazi party, but that they are unable to effectively fight the Nazi party. The problem is that Democrats fail to demonstrate that voting for them is better than not voting at all to a large part of the electorate.

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A more concise way of putting it is that, if we’re going to resist and reject Trump, don’t expect meaningful help from the Democratic Party. That’s not what it is. Meet your neighbors. Organize at that level. If need be, form cells.

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The problem is that Democrats fail to demonstrate

And compounding that problem is people being angry at the Dems for this failure instead of trying to help.

“Clearly you’re not worth voting for because you can’t convince people to vote for you.” Great.

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And compounding that problem is people being angry at the Dems for this failure instead of trying to help.

We should be as happy as you are that the only thing Democrats actually stood for in the past 4 years was Netanyahu.

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“Clearly you’re not worth voting for because you can’t convince people to vote for you.” Great.

But it’s not that. It’s “please do something because you’re abandoning wide swathes of people and are going to lose, and lose our best chance against the fascists this way”.

The problem is that Dems don’t like progressives’ help, they would rather get help from Cheney than Sanders.

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99% of the times Democrats fail to effect change, it’s for losing a vote that comes close to 50/50 - be it for presidents, senate representatives, etc.

People do not understand that their only quote-unquote “failing” is that we literally don’t give them power in any usable, reliable form, and that they don’t represent a hive mind.

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I’m not criticising them for not having the votes, I’m criticising them for not writing and standing behind the bills in the first place.

There are three insane third Trump term bills already in Congress, where were the three Medicare for All or police reform, or anti-price gouging or tax reform bills in Congress days after Biden’s win? Or Obama’s win?

The Trump bills won’t pass, sure, but we are here and talking about them. Where were the Dems doing this?

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Exactly. Democrats ran on “vote for a Democrat to save Democracy!” Millions of voters shrugged and asked, “what good has democracy done for me?”

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The problem is that a lot of people, also on here equate people saying that “this is going to alienate voters” with saying “this is going to alienate me”, and then go into personal attacks of “are Republicans better then?” or “you’re the problem because you don’t vote”.

No, the problem is and was that large swathes of the population that you don’t interact with won’t vote if you don’t give them something to vote for, as they don’t see Trump as the threat he is, since people’s opinions are saturated with the 24 hour news cycle. Point is “Trump bad”, while true, doesn’t win elections. You have to do something more, and the DNC is very much tending to do the bare minimum besides fundraising.

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The problem is that Democrats fail to demonstrate that voting for them is better than not voting at all to a large part of the electorate.

That’s where the propaganda and foreign influence come in. Their entire effort centered around muddying the waters so people couldn’t be sure what the reality was. And voter suppression certainly makes it easier for people to say fuck it.

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Yes, there was foreign propaganda, influence, psyops, etc.

Look at Luigi. All of that propaganda failed to contain a very wide, bipartisan swathe of the population who was elated at the CEO’s death. Even more moderate people agreed that healthcare sucks even if they don’t like people, even murderers, gunned down in the street.

And Democrats still refuse to run on a platform of complete healthcare reform. And before you say “but Republicans would vote it down”, make them! Put it forward every week, every session, make a presidential run on it, make overreaching executive orders that fuck with insurance companies, forcing them to sue, every week. Have random low ranking Democrats make speeches about “well Luigi was in the wrong, but such things are inevitable in this system” to get in the papers with controversy. Just like Reps did it with the wall and other stupid stuff. Make it every week’s topic who exactly is standing in the way of establishing a proper healthcare system.

And there are other issues like that. Cost of living for example.

Fight, damnit, do something, or you will lose your country.

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