Here is the difference, in my view.

I will fight fascist wherever I am met with them. I’ll denounce their ideals, call out their hatred and bigotry towards others, expose their crimes and atrocities. And I will fight them, to the risk of my own life, to defend others from them, if such need arises.

I will not hide behind hollow rethoric to justify killing another human being. I will not persecute a fascist’s family or children, I will not execute fascists summarilly nor cruelly. I will not condone torture.

I want justice. I want fascists arrested, put to trial, sentenced to prison and put to work to rebuild every little thing they destroyed, plowing fields to feed the hungry. I will not become worst than them in the process of getting rid of them.

How does killing a bunch of them with crowbars begin a better world? Did that work the first time? It sounds to me like we’re trapped in a cycle.

That’s your prerrogative; I respect that. It won’t be small differences like those putting us on opposite corners.

Will I call the act of Mangione as brutal? Yes. But it ended there. The guy did not went on a rampage, after the man’s family and others. So, it was a resort to force, not to violence.

We’re seeing violence being enacted towards groups and individuals. Mass killings in Gaza, torture, starvation, exposure… that is violence.

Going up against a group, even if well organized, by attacking and eliminating key figures, that’s force.

Allow me a more down to earth example: you see an ICE raid mounting. You organize a group of neighbours, hold the cops at gun point, beat the lights out of them, in extremis, a few die, and warn them they are not to come back there.

That’s force.

You kill everyone, raid and destroy their station, go after their families and friends, and hit on sight every single agent.

That’s violence.

So, given that the average fascist considers anyone who does not subscribe their narrow view of the world as worthless and disposeable and are known to be very expedite on devising cruel and brutal ways to dispose of those they dislike, it would be fair, on your understanding, that the fascists underwent the exact same treatment?