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Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone

8 points

2 days ago

I only wish in them what they wish on me. Anyone who has an issue with that is enabling fascism.

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-5 points

2 days ago

So, given that the average fascist considers anyone who does not subscribe their narrow view of the world as worthless and disposeable and are known to be very expedite on devising cruel and brutal ways to dispose of those they dislike, it would be fair, on your understanding, that the fascists underwent the exact same treatment?

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Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone

5 points

2 days ago

I’m sorry, I’m too busy dealing with my rights being trampled and taken away by these monsters along with other life stressors to care about your moral grandstanding.

Yes. Fuck them. Fuck anyone who supports them for “economic anxiety” or whatever BS rationalization they use to blind themselves, and fuck anyone who is still giving fascists the benifit of the doubt.

There is no middle ground, no high road, when these people literally want to kill me and my friends. I am exhausted by the last week along and have long been sick of people treating fascists with kid gloves.

The idea that people think I’m as bad as they are for standing up for myself while they inflict violence on me. Every step of calling fascists fascists and it’s called “hyperbole” or “hysterical”. Because acknowledgement of what they say they will do, have been doing, and are doing means their lives might be disrupted, that they would need to do something.

They do. We all do. But most people aren’t. So, I’m focused on protecting me and mine. If you wanted a world where all we do is finger wag at fascist then something should have been done to stop what is happening right now…

But now, I have no sympathy anymore and grow tired of liberals, and honestly not a small number of the left, saying we should be above that. That ship sailed a long time ago.

If you are privileged enough to still feel like you are above that, then fucking do something so those of us who are the current targets don’t have to defend ourselves alone.

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PunnyName@lemmy.world

2 points

2 days ago

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Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world

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6 points

2 days ago

If they salute like a nazi then they are a nazi. Modeled after the German variety of fascism venerating Hitler etc. Neo-nazi would work I guess, but everything they’ve been doing is straight out of Hitler’s playbook so I feel comfortable using the term nazi.

As for projection of force, you don’t really have any to project. Any resistance would need to be very asymmetric in nature ie high value targets using guerilla methods. I think the difference between force and violence is semantic and really only serves as a euphemism. Moreover you need to create a spectacle of violence. Luigi mangione didn’t use force.

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2 points

2 days ago

That’s your prerrogative; I respect that. It won’t be small differences like those putting us on opposite corners.

Will I call the act of Mangione as brutal? Yes. But it ended there. The guy did not went on a rampage, after the man’s family and others. So, it was a resort to force, not to violence.

We’re seeing violence being enacted towards groups and individuals. Mass killings in Gaza, torture, starvation, exposure… that is violence.

Going up against a group, even if well organized, by attacking and eliminating key figures, that’s force.

Allow me a more down to earth example: you see an ICE raid mounting. You organize a group of neighbours, hold the cops at gun point, beat the lights out of them, in extremis, a few die, and warn them they are not to come back there.

That’s force.

You kill everyone, raid and destroy their station, go after their families and friends, and hit on sight every single agent.

That’s violence.

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MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world

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5 points

2 days ago

I’m that guy

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GreenKnight23@lemmy.world

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3 points

2 days ago

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0 points

2 days ago

Good for you, I risk?

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jdeath@lemm.ee

0 points

2 days ago

sure, on Lemmy you’re that guy.

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bitjunkie@lemmy.world

4 points

2 days ago

It’s a crowbar, not a boning knife

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2 points

2 days ago

Well then you don’t have a strong sense of survival or justice. That’s ok. You can weave baskets while I do it. Everybody has a place.

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0 points

2 days ago

And now you are missing the part where I state that I will fight, both for me and others. I refuse to butcher others, like the criminals we are denouncing, not to fight them.

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2 points

2 days ago

How is fighting for survival different than butchering people who would butcher you?

Edit: to begin a better world you have to understand that your hands will have to get dirty not by choice but out of necessity to survive. Do you not have a survival instinct?

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chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world

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0 points

2 days ago

How does killing a bunch of them with crowbars begin a better world? Did that work the first time? It sounds to me like we’re trapped in a cycle.

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1 point

2 days ago

Who said anything about crowbars? Realistically there is no cycle. A cycle means there is some kind of return to normal. Well, our assumption of normal doesn’t exist anymore. Any idea of a future becomes cyberpunk at this point and your concept of a future will be sad, pathetic and relegated to slavery.

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0 points

2 days ago

Here is the difference, in my view.

I will fight fascist wherever I am met with them. I’ll denounce their ideals, call out their hatred and bigotry towards others, expose their crimes and atrocities. And I will fight them, to the risk of my own life, to defend others from them, if such need arises.

I will not hide behind hollow rethoric to justify killing another human being. I will not persecute a fascist’s family or children, I will not execute fascists summarilly nor cruelly. I will not condone torture.

I want justice. I want fascists arrested, put to trial, sentenced to prison and put to work to rebuild every little thing they destroyed, plowing fields to feed the hungry. I will not become worst than them in the process of getting rid of them.

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1 point

2 days ago

That’s absolutely a fair point. We have differing views on the subject. I’m of the opinion that people with evil intent have no business existing.

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