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I get that WhatsApp is not a platform to use if you care about your privacy, but WTF is “Delta Chat” and why would I switch to it rather than say Signal?

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I agree that Signal is nice, but I think the point here is that Delta Chat is decentralized

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Imo it’s already difficult enough to convince friends and family to use Signal. Delta Chat would be even more difficult to pull off.

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It’s hard to get techies to see that, plan for the lease savy user.

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How is it different? In my experience it’s easier as they’ve already heard of email.

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So is Matrix and it’s way more popular. But recommending anything other than Signal at this point is a waste. Fediverse chat is a more complex conversion for many who are still in the connect via phone number stage for chat. Fediverse is an easier story for other platforms.

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As I’ve understood, Delta chat is based on the IMAP protocol and uses the infrastructure of your email provider. Thus, it uses no own server infrastructure, but has the also the downsides of the protocol and some issues with many email providers.

Wikipedia.de - Delta Chat (no English version available yet)

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some issues with many email providers

This turned out to be the deal-breaker for me. GMX kept locking me out of my account because of the DeltaChat messages. They’re (of course) full of cyphertext and to email providers this must look a look like spam.

The open-to-abuse nature of email claims yet another victim.

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On the other hand, GMX (and web.de) is a notoriously bad influence on email communication and will randomly block mailservers if they feel like it while flooding all of their own users with spam. The world would be a better place without 1&1 / united internet.

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Right, they don’t support the advanced login protocols some providers like outlook require. That was a deal breaker, because deltachat was pretty much the last encrypted messaging service which worked in China.

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Because delta chat is using an open protocol (email) and you can run your own servers meaning it is decentralized unlike Signal. Also it is actually anonymous unlike Signal, so you don’t need to give anyone your phone number and people can’t find where you live just by knowing your username.

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Because delta chat is using an open protocol (email)

So not an instant messaging protocol but rather a technology that the whole world would do differently if they could go back in time?

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Could you be more concrete? In what relevant way do you think it does not work as an instant messenger? Keep in mind that Delta Chat is not a theoretical thing and it works as well as any other messenger.

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10 points

So XMPP?

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7 points

Should definitely be the go-to

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If you use your email, it’s anonymous but you have to use your email which is almost never anonymous and has your phone number. Also you sometimes have to “Create an app-specific password” that delta chat will use and gain full access to your email account, which is way worse than signal or any other application. And for some accounts, you have to use your real password, and maybe disable the spam protection.

Am I wrong somewhere or is that a really stupid idea?

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If you struggle making a new email address, this is not for you.

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-2 points

During onboarding of the app you only choose a name and get a random email address

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you don’t need to give anyone your phone number

You do not need to give your number anymore to use Signal.

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You cannot make a Signal account without phone number so that’s not true.

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