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I just hope Wayland has its accessibility shit together before then. There are people that still need to use X11 for their accessibility needs.

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Fr, accessibility is def important and they’re not giving it enough attention

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last time I checked, blind users could not even install any mainstream distro anymore, because they all switched to wayland, and that broke screen readers in the installer.

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Yeah. I’m sad to say that, about a year ago, I switched back to macOS because it handles accessibility waaaaay better. And I don’t even use screen readers. It sounds like their situation is even worse :/

I just need the ability to easily zoom in and out using Super+scroll up/down (without causing performance issues or visual jank) and trackpad gestures that aren’t extremely limited. Granted, both of these things may be more of a DE thing, but wherever the issue lies, I would like them fixed.

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linux developers only care about shit they themselves care about, powertripping and some stupid principles they made up, not about making a usable environment for everyone

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KDE let’s you do that first one, though it’s ctrl+super. It’s one of my favourite lesser known features.

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Also I’ve found some games that work fine in Wine under X11 and not in Wayland

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GTK 4 released 9 years after GTK 3, so it’ll be quite some time before GTK 5. If Wayland doesn’t have better accessibility than X11 at that point it’d be time to give up on it as a project, and maybe desktop Linux as a whole.

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GTK+4 was released? When??

I’ve been compiling GTK+3 3.2x, the latest stable version about ten years ago and always wonder will they ever advance the major version. Years of installing XFCE4 and stuff and I always saw them pulling GTK+3 as a dependency. Never seen GTK+ marked 4 though.

To be fair I haven’t visited their official website for a while though.

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GTK 4 was released in 2020, they also dropped the plus from the name in 2019. GTK 4 is a big update and would be a pretty massive amount of work to switch to. I don’t know when, if ever, XFCE will switch to it.

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A lot of the non-GNOME GTK desktops have elected to stick with GTK3. They even maintain a suite of applications (Xapps) that many of them share.

GTK 4 and higher are increasingly GNOME only (not that you cannot run them elsewhere—they just won’t fit in).

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