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I’m so fucking tired of seeing this comment, because it’s just so unbelievably dumb. It would make (some level of) sense in posts about Elon taking over the government and immigrants being sent to Guantanamo Bay, but here? Like, just genuinely fucking stupid. And yet people keep fucking making them in all news threads about Palestine.

Can anyone here actually show me examples of people saying that Trump wouldn’t do this? Because all I saw was people saying that Palestine is going to be fucked regardless, and they didn’t want to cast their vote for someone who was going to support genocide. Meanwhile, comments like this one imply those people thought Palestine would be saved by not voting for Dems, which is a straw man.

Did you guys just forget how much happened under the Dems, and think Kamala winning would actually have improved things for Palestine? Is that it? Do you think it’s somehow worse for Palestinians now?

Here is an article from July 2023: Israel Is Officially Annexing the West Bank

December 2023: Nearly 100,000 Gaza buildings may be damaged, satellite images show

9th of August 2024: ‘Everything is legitimate’: Israeli leaders defend soldiers accused of rape

30th of August 2024: Harris says she won’t change US policy on arming Israel, stresses need for hostage deal

Stop with this comment in Palestine posts already. It’s seriously the dumbest fucking place you can make them. Go make these comments in a post about Trump censoring scientists or something.

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comments like this one imply those people thought Palestine would be saved by not voting for Dems

Reps calling him genocide Joe was indeed implying this

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What about calling him Butcher Biden? Or is the Irish MEP also a Russian troll?

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Claire Daly is absolutely pro-Russian, yeah.

No longer an MEP thankfully, her and that other clown Mick Wallace were both voted out…

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We’re not talking about Reps though. We are talking about people who would usually vote for Dems, but because of their stance on Palestine either didn’t vote or voted third party. Can you show me examples of people on Lemmy who voted third party or abstained that said Reps would be better for Palestinians?

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Yes. Verdant Banana.

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Asking for such evidence is a classic manipulation technique of conservatives and will be discarded as untrue anyway the moment it’s delivered.

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lol yeah it’s worse now, what the hell are you saying

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Explain to me how, then. Don’t be abstract or vague. Tell me, right now, concretely and materialistically, and preferably with sources, how are things worse for Palestinians right now?

I’ve had this argument before and I never got an answer. Do you think it makes any difference for a Palestinian who is being shot/tortured/raped/blown up/having their home destroyed if the weapons and ammo that are being used to achieve those goals come from one American party or the other? Or did you just forget everything that was happening in Palestine before Trump was elected? Feel free to look at the links I posted.

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You’re one of those “once genocide starts, it can’t get worse” people, aren’t you?

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Okay first of all, a lot more, maybe all Palestinians will be killed under Trump.

Second of all, the Trump regime will completely dismantle the US. They’ve already started. People like you (presumably) didn’t show up to vote democrat for some vague moral win in Palestine that doesn’t have any real world implications. Even if the situation in Palestine were exactly the same under Harris and Trump. Millions of people all over the world will suffer because of Trump’s decisions. Queer people, immigrants, women, poor people are going to fucking die because of Trump.

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Did you read any of what you linked?

I’ve now read the entirety of the first 2 links, and have not seen a single mention of how Trump would be better for Palestine. If I’m wrong then please provide the quotes where they said Trump would be better.

All that is being said is that people feel disfranchised by the Dems and Kamala. Please actually read what’s there and stop seeing what you want to see. In fact the second link straight says:

I’m still voting for Harris, on the basis that change from public pressure is far more unlikely under Trump.

And they literally say it’s illogical to vote for Trump:

Despite Trump’s horrendous track record, he has gained in their support solely because of how Harris has campaigned. It’s not logical, but it’s hard to be when directly affected by the actions of the current administration and no prospect for change.

On the third I just did CTRL+F for “trump”, and there was nothing about him in regard to Palestine. I didn’t even bother with the 4th.

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On the road. No time for finding the perfect example. Take that as evidence of absence if you want.

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