Kamala vocally supported an end to the war
She also said she was unwavering in her support for Israel and would keep arming them.
Remember when Trump said he would lower the prices of groceries? Do you judge him on that, or on his actions? Why is it different for Kamala and Dems?
You know, “empathy” isn’t just “I feel bad for people sometimes!”. Empathy is the ability to place your self in other people’s shoes. So now let’s practice some empathy. Imagine you are Palestinian, and you live in Gaza. Israel has bombed your neighbourhood with American bombs. Aid has been withheld from you and your family. Other hospitals and aid workers have been bombed by American bombs. Journalists are being shot with American supplied weapons and ammo. Some of your neighbours or friends - who weren’t killed - have been captured and are being raped.
Now tell me - keeping that state of mind and empathy - what fucking difference does it make that Kamala “vocally supported an end to the war”?
Can you tell me right now - concretely and materialistically, no vague bullshit - how things were/would be better for Palestinians under the Dems? I’ve asked this question so many times and have never gotten an answer that wasn’t just vague abstract BS like “but Trump said”.
It seriously astonishes me that the one situation where there is no difference between Reps and Dems (except for the words they use while doing the same thing), is the one situation people decide to shout about how much better Dems would be than Reps.
Now tell me - keeping that state of mind and empathy - what fucking difference does it make that Kamala “vocally supported an end to the war”?
Because it means we haven’t been completely been written off yet, public pressure could improve things. So you’d want the person who controls your fate to at least pretend to have empathy, not the maniac who used ‘Palestinian’ as a slur.
Can you tell me right now - concretely and materialistically, no vague bullshit - how things were/would be better for Palestinians under the Dems? I’ve asked this question so many times and have never gotten an answer that wasn’t just vague abstract BS like “but Trump said”.
There was still a Palestine. Now there won’t be. It’s really not that complex. There is a clear difference.
Because it means we haven’t been completely been written off yet, public pressure could improve things.
Public pressure has been around for decades, and the democrats were still supplying them with weapons.
So you’d want the person who controls your fate to at least pretend to have empathy, not the maniac who used ‘Palestinian’ as a slur.
Two people stomp on you. One says “I want the violence to stop”, the other calls you a slur. They are both still stomping on you. There is no real difference to the person being stomped.
There was still a Palestine. Now there won’t be. It’s really not that complex. There is a clear difference.
Go look at maps of Palestine over the decades, please. Palestine was already being erased. This is like if we clean up the entire room together but then I let you put the broom away, and now you claim you were the one to clean the entire room. Just because Reps are the ones finishing the job does not mean the Dems were better - we know they were not because we just saw them actively supporting the genocide.
Public pressure has been around for decades, and the democrats were still supplying them with weapons.
Not really it hasn’t been in the spotlight until Oct7th. That’s when real change can happen.
Two people stomp on you. One says “I want the violence to stop”, the other calls you a slur. They are both still stomping on you. There is no real difference to the person being stomped.
Two people stomping at you, one pulls out a knife and says ‘lets get this vermin and his family too’. There is a clear difference.
Go look at maps of Palestine over the decades, please. Palestine was already being erased. This is like if we clean up the entire room together but then I let you put the broom away, and now you claim you were the one to clean the entire room. Just because Reps are the ones finishing the job does not mean the Dems were better - we know they were not because we just saw them actively supporting the genocide.
‘actively supporting the genocide’ isn’t the worst thing you can do. What Trump is doing is objectively worse.
Put it this way.
- Kamala came out and said: ‘Israel has a right to defend itself, and how it does so matters’
- If she had instead said ‘Let’s clean this filth out I’m gonna put a hotel here. All sanctions and blocks are cancelled. Please hurry up I have money to make. We’ll provide some troops to help if needd’
Which is worse?
Actually, I just read one of your other comments, and you know what’s extra bullshit? The fact that you’re telling people you’re not even American, but you’re still trying to justify why people shouldn’t have voted for Harris.
Under previous administrations, Palestinians in the United States were able to claim refugee status for their relatives and get them out of Gaza.
Now, that’s gone.
The news cycle were able to report on everything going on in Gaza, and have people paying attention to the actual atrocities happening (never mind what’s happening in Sudan and Congo).
Now, Trump and Elon dominate the news cycle.
So many people were willing to donate to Gofundme’s for the people in Gaza to help them cross the border to Jordan/Egypt, or have enough money to at least buy food/shelter/medical treatment and survive until the ceasefire.
Now, people are losing their jobs or in such economic uncertainty DUE TO THE DIRECT ACTIONS OF THE TRUMP ADMIN there is no extra money for mutual aid.
The fact that your idealogical purity stance FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY has destroyed so much of the mutual aid mechanism surrounding Gaza and you don’t even realize it is the most tragic part. I do digital infrastructure work pro bono for an organization that helps Doctors Without Borders, and guess what? The employees there have been furloughed due to the USAID freeze.
So yeah, Kamala and DonElon…totally the same fucking thing, right?
Actually, I just read one of your other comments, and you know what’s extra bullshit? The fact that you’re telling people you’re not even American, but you’re still trying to justify why people shouldn’t have voted for Harris.
What the american government does has repercussion all over the world.
you’re still trying to justify why people shouldn’t have voted for Harris
Oh, that’s rich, please do tell where I justified people not voting for Kamala. I have said several times in this thread alone that Trump is worse for Americans than Kamala would have been. I’ll also add now that it’s worse for Europe and Ukraine as well, something I’ve also said in the past. If you go look through my Lemmy history - go ahead, I dare you to prove I’m lying - I never once told people not to vote for Kamala. You should be ashamed either to lie so boldly, or that a foreigner who speaks English as a second language has a better understanding of it than you.
Not to mention, America isn’t isolated. What happens in America affects me too, for better or worse, so I have just as much a right to voice my opinion on American events and politics. If you disagree with that, then I expect you to remain quiet in regard to all other world events. Do you do that?
The news cycle were able to report on everything going on in Gaza
Multiple journalists were killed in Gaza with no consequences. And my news sources still report on Gaza anyway, so I’m not sure what you are referring to. If you’re only looking at what is being posted on social media then perhaps you are correct, but I’d argue that is a problem in and of itself.
So many people were willing to donate to Gofundme’s for the people in Gaza to help them cross the border to Jordan/Egypt, or have enough money to at least buy food/shelter/medical treatment and survive until the ceasefire.
This is hands down the best response I’ve received on this issue, I will acknowledge that, however you talk as if Americans weren’t already struggling before, and as if the rest of the world can’t still donate and help.
The fact that your idealogical purity stance FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY
Are you Israeli? Are you Palestinian? If not, then why are you not following your own advice? I point back to my second paragraph, in regard to this.
So yeah, Kamala and DonElon…totally the same fucking thing, right?
In regard to Palestine and Israel? Pretty much. Everything else? Obviously not, which is what I’ve repeated about 200 times fold.
Now tell me - keeping that state of mind and empathy - **what fucking difference does it make that Kamala “vocally supported an end to the war”?** Can you tell me right now - concretely and materialistically, no vague bullshit - how things were/would be better for Palestinians under the Dems? I’ve asked this question so many times and have never gotten an answer that wasn’t just vague abstract BS like “but Trump said”.
This is the easiest lob you could give me. It’s because HISTORICALLY it has been easier to get organized and get Dems to change their minds than it will ever be under Trump. His son-in-law Jared Kushner has been openly talking about beach front property in Gaza over the last year and courting land development deals.
If you think Kamala Harris would have gone on the news with Netenyahu and said she was going to use the AMERICAN MILITARY TO TAKE GAZA, you are actually out of your mind. Once again, I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S POSITION. I DO NOT THINK THEY ARE DOING RIGHT BY THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. But we were already seeing movement regarding limiting arms and funds to Israel, and Biden’s ceasefire. The public backlash was actually gaining momentum into the House. We were seeing congress people speaking out against Netenyahu and the Biden administration getting both internal and external pressure for a pause in arms.
And then, boom, Trump elected.
There is actually no hope for a free Palestine under Trump and a Republican House and Congress. They don’t care about optics, they don’t care about international relations, they will use all the military and money they have to make sure that Israel becomes the “holy land” they need for their Christofascist rapture.
Ok, so your entire comment is: “maybe the Dems would change their minds”, did I get that right? I’m sorry to say, that not worth shit. And if you want to talk about history, here and here you go. America (Dems) have been supporting Israel that whole time.
AMERICAN MILITARY TO TAKE GAZA, you are actually out of your mind
If you’re Palestinian, what difference does it make if the guns shooting at you, and the boots stepping on your corpse, are carried by the Israeli military or the American military? The use of the American military is only worse for the Americans, for the Palestinians it’s more of the same.
No. I’m done. I’ve just realized that the Palestinian genocide to people like you is nothing but a thought experiment. I refuse to engage with someone who uses the actual plight of the Palestinians as a gotcha against Americans while not even participating in the political systems here.
Focus on your own country, because unless you’re from South Africa, you probably have a non-zero number of politicians who support Israel as well. This is not a fucking spectator sport.
We are 16 days in the Trump presidency and he has announced that he will clean the Gaza Strip from Palestinians. So within the first 16 days he has proven that the GOP has a radically different Middle East policy than Democrats, and you still continue to lie and state that both sides are the same. I am guessing you will keep this BoTH SiDeS conviction even if Trump nukes Gaza.
And you keep giving me nothing concrete. It doesn’t matter what they say if what they do is the same. Gaza was already being stripped of Palestinians. You still have not made it clear how this is actually worse for Palestinians.
You ask for a concrete action when we are no more than 16 days in. Ok let’s ignore that and pretend you are acting in good faith.
- Weapon shipments that had been blocked have been released
- After the Gaza ceasefire Israel has opened an offensive on the Westbank
- Words of a US president have a meaning if they are not directly felt on the ground. For instance, Trump has made it clear today that he will not oppose an ethnic cleansing operation in Gaza (and likely the same for the Westbank).
Let me ask you a question in return. It is my impression that you suffer from confirmation bias where you sat out the election because both sides were equally bad. I therefore think it would be good for you if you set a threshold. At what point will you accept that Trump is really worse than Kamala would have been?
Ok, so there was no difference between them on this genocide.
Guess Trump should have been stopped for other reasons.
Too late now. Enjoy the fascism.
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I agree, which should be easy to understand if you’ve actually been reading my comments instead of having a knee-jerk reaction.
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Not American, so thankfully I don’t have to (for now). And I did argue with a lot of Trumpists online before the election, but you can only do so much when the other party insists on being a shit stain.
