Amazon has used tricks, algorithms, and surveillance to discourage warehouse employees from unionizing, according to a paper published in the journal Socius.

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Me 8 years ago:

I’m absolutely not getting a job at amazon, or ups, or usps. I’m not taking a job where you don’t have permission to pee. I’m a human being. I don’t care if I’m the president of the united states giving a state of the union address live on tv. If I have to pee, I’d tell the camera “Hey America, go grab a snack or something. I’ll be right back in like 2 minutes.” Fuck it, if I gotta pee, that’s just what I’m going to do. Fuck your profits for 3 minutes. I’M expelling waste.

And then my sister is like “it’s not that bad.”

Then me reading news 6 years ago that an amazon worker died of a heart attack and his coworkers didn’t even stop to call 911.

My sister thinks I made that up.

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75 points

USPS is unionized. No cameras, Way less micro-management, and you can pee when you want to.

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USPS isn’t all sunshine and rainbows. I know multiple regional managers and local district managers as well as post masters. It’s a very tough demanding and long job.

A single delivery driver can deliver 630am till 1030pm and still not have all the mail out. While head quarters will deny adding drivers to routes or changing anything to ease the loads.

Don’t get me started on mentioning package theft, insurance claims, and other related issues.

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People gotta start working the hours they’re paid for. If I’m working my shift well then it’s not my fault that the company is understaffed and I am not gunna bust my ass to cover for someone’s poor leadership.

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Aren’t some Amazon warehouses unionized too?

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Sure makes you wonder why the elected officials want to defund it in favor of Fedex and others /s

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It really is that bad though, I used to think I was insane when I worked customer service call centre roles and they’d say (like all places I worked), without laughing, that we should get there 15 minutes before our shift to load all our systems. So basically work 75 mins for free each week. Whilst at the same time they pay as little as legally required and monitor your toilet breaks about 9 mins a day.

So naturally I am against this and push back and they say you gotta do it. And I’m like like fuck I do bro I could leave this job now and get another one tomorrow. In the end I was ready to die on this hill so I go in 15 mins early and at the end of the day I log off 15 mins early to get my coat on. Suffice to say I was no longer required to log in early. Most people did it though.

Now to contrast this I am a software developer who has got lucky at a small company, tiny actually. They really care about the staff and the clients. I’m sick quite a lot more than the average person and I overthink things but I am told that WE come first we don’t live to work we work to live. Recently we all got pay rises and our hours reduced. There is no micro managing, no targets and no pressure. Only the pressure my stupid brain puts on myself.

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So uhhhhhh…I’m not a software developer, but are you guys hiring? I don’t know. I’ll dress up in a clown suit and do unfunny things. Maybe I can mime a satire of what it’s like working at other jobs. Like drinking coffee, looking exhausted, typing on a keyboard, looking exhausted, talking on the phone, looking exhausted, sorting through filing cabinets, hanging yourself with a noose…uh…I mean…looking exhausted.

My point is, your job sounds amazing, and I want to work there even if I don’t have any skills or qualifications. Let’s make this happen.

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Hey, if I was in charge I would hire you right now.

Whenever I talk about my job I have to stress so much that I am lucky af. I don’t believe I deserve to be where I am because frankly I was a mess at life until late thirties and made a mountain of poor life choices.

My point in this is to say that change is possible for anybody, given enough determination, a massive dose of luck and being in the right place to actually get my life on track. I am not special and I’m not particularly smart, just like solving problems.

If you’re interested I did a couple of coding boot camps and although I had a lot of experience from just making things for myself I believe anybody can up skill.

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As someone who worked there for a year, the nice thing about Amazon is that managers don’t harass you—even if you come in late every single day—and the 40 hours of paid personal time granted every week is great too. It’s the kind of job where you can just put on your headphones and zone out, and never have to come in on days when you don’t feel like it. Just call off in the app.

Still wouldn’t recommend that anyone works there. Everything else about the job sucks.

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40 hours of personal time granted every week is great too

Wtf is this? You have 168 personal hours every week. It is not at the decision of your employer.

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You misunderstood. What I meant is that for every hour you work, you get an hour of paid time off. So if you work 40 hours one week, you could go the entire next week without showing up to work at all if you wanted to, and still get paid for it.

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As someone who worked there for a year

In the warehouse?

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Of course. You wouldn’t want to drive for them. The stupid AI cameras are always watching. In the warehouse nobody pays attention to you.

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Before the internet, people would say some ignorant shit and we’d all just carry it around like a nugget of gold.

People still say ignorant shit, but now at least we can mark them for their nonsense and ignore their opinions.

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Best way I’ve ever heard it described was that before the Internet, every village had it’s idiot… “Hatians are eating pets? What? Oh, you were talking to Jerry.

Now, all the village idiots have glommed into each other and retweet the insanity back and forth until it takes on a life of it’s own. “Buttery males!” and “adrenochrome extractions happening in basements of pizza places” etc etc etc.

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