Comment by SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml on Google is now moderating user's bookmarks and removing them.

Google keeps taking L’s and firefox keeps taking W’s. If they keep going maybe firefox will be most used browser again

and here i am stuck using chrome, firefox doesn’t install properly. i’ve tried a bunch of times. i have a chromebook.

Sounds like an anti trust lawsuit waiting to happen tbh

Do you need ChromeOS? If not i suggest installing linux.

Ngl seems sus that firefox won’t install in ChromeOS

i tried installing linux but i don’t have enough memory for it. my storage is small (32 gigs).

How much memory do you have?

Less than 10 gigs free. Ram is 4gigs.

4 gigs should be enough for a distro. depending on how far you are willing to go you can even end up with 1 GB or less ram usage at idle. and storage shloudnt be a problem either. i had some distros that take up like 4 gig (storage, not memory)

This was suspicious back when IE became incorporated to File Explorer circa Windows 98.

Now it’s just business.

It’s in the name lol

I hate that I have to keep chrome on my machine because some sites I visit don’t work well, or at all, on Firefox.

The most annoying thing is the website that insist on displaying a banner everytime you visit to tell you that it won’t work on Firefox. And then it works perfectly fine

I’ve heard a lot of people mention this recently and I must live a charmed life because I’ve never had this happen. There was I think maybe, once where I was having a problem with a site and it said that I needed to use a browser like chrome so I begrudgingly did and it still didn’t work so I don’t count that as an example and other than that, I’ve just never seen it. In fact I’m pretty sure it’s not since about 2001 that I’ve seen any website give me shit with only working on certain browsers and that was sites designed to work on IE6 or something.

When someone sends me links to instagram on my phone, firefox mobile can’t play the thing, I’m forced to open the link in chrome to watch the video. There are lots and lots of websites and webapps that don’t work or barely open on firefox. I’m forced to regularly open every week a few links on chrome/chromium on my computer as well. Although the amount as reduced a lot, some years ago it was worse.

I’ve used several sites that just won’t scroll in Firefox. Coursera is awful for this and a lot of job sites seem to use the same library because they have the exact same issue

Just had it happen yesterday with the the students loan simulator. It wouldn’t work on Firefox and kept getting hung and freezing. Opened it in chrome and it worked perfectly first time.

It’s not common, but enough that I keep chrome installed for now.

Brave or ungoogled chromium are other options

both are still just chromium and as such still subject to google’s bullshittery like amp, manifest v3 and web integrity

It’s still chromium based, which I’m trying to get away from as much as possible.

That’s just chrome with a hat on and does nothing to help reduce the encroachment of Google as the internet’s sole provider

But it is more private than chrome and makes heavy modifications for privacy/freedom’s sake it is definitely better than actual chrome if you have to use something chromium based

it’s literally made by an adtech company. you’re falling for marketing hype

seeing as no one has delivered proof so far i would argue that thats not the case.

i mean one can literally check for themself (even i, if i could be bothered)

How to make people care, though

A few days ago, a friend asked me what browser I was using, a question he asked me in a genuine manner of getting my opinion. When I asnwered that I was using Firefox, he - again, what seemed to be genuine - wanted to know why. Knowing that he likes to use adblockers, I then told him about Google’s recent attempts of attacking an open web, specificly mentioning ManifestV3 and WEI API and how they are a potential threat to his use of adblockers.

“Well, I use ublock origin on chrome and it still works, so I’ll keep using that.”

Apparently, I am not convincing enough.

Unless they sort out their funding (find someone that is not Google for majority of their money), people shouldn’t care.

I don’t understand. You think people shouldn’t care about privacy? You think people shouldn’t care about one or two massive corporations having complete control over the internet?

Explain.

Not at all. They should find an alternative that cannot be just unplugged on demand.

Mozilla cannot be unplugged on demand. That would cause Google to become a monopoly, and they would be held to extreme harsh laws by the EU. Like in the case of IE6 back in the day.

Google does not want that, so they donate to Mozilla to keep Firefox as a competitor. And Firefox has to do jack shit in return other than exist.

The only way Firefox could be unplugged is if a new non-chromium browser becomes one of the big browsers.

This is all technically correct. Although I think it’s a little naive to say that a corporation “cannot” do something today. There are lots of things they technically cannot do yet it happens on daily basis.

I think his point is that as long as Google is the primary funding source for Mozilla it’s not worth relying on Firefox because there’s always the risk Google will demand Mozilla capitulates and tows the line. Once/If Mozilla secure independent funding then they can be ‘trusted’

🤔 So why can’t we just make our own browser then?

Making a browser isn’t terribly hard, and there’s dozens of ‘browsers’ (see nyxt, qutebrowser, vimb, brave, vivaldi, etc). Making a browser engine is hard, and expensive, which is why all of the alternatives i’ve used are either chromium or webkit based. The webkit ones seem to crash on anything with complex javascript. The chromium engine ones work great, however that doesn’t stop Google from making changes to the engine which people are up in arms about.

Browser engines are very, very, very, very very hard to make and maintain.

See: Opera and Microsoft Edge, which formerly ran on bespoke engines until they converted to Chromium because no one would support their browser.

Oh, I see. For some reason, I thought they were referring to content creators and others who profit from Google ads or something like that.

And yeah, there’s a lot that Mozilla’s corporate branch needs to sort out, but Firefox and its forks are the only viable alternatives to chromium browsers right now, so people should still care about that.

“Perfection is the enemy of progress” … or something like that

Nothing comes before profit – especially not the consumer.

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