If communists are not anti American, why do some of them say “death to America”? I’m genuinely curious, I’ve been trying to understand alternate perspectives but it is confusing reading some of the communist interactions on lemmy. Are they trying to be ironic, or are those just foreign propaganda trolls, or do some communists actually want to see a whole country burn, innocent children and all? Is it an inside joke that I just won’t get because I’m a “stupid lib”?
We are anti-america, they’re pointing out the irony of using the 13 stripes, referring to the original colonies, in a communist America fantasy.
Also, it’s death to America, not death to Americans, i.e the military-industrial complex, exploitation of the global south, and related culture that masquerades as a country. Most people would rather that didn’t mean reducing the country to ash, but revolution and dissolution of the current state.
“Death to America” doesn’t refer to killing every person in America, it refers to the death of a nation-state and the ideology it’s built upon.
Leftists use this term to advocate for the abolition of things like: fascist police death squads that kill disproportionately lower income and black/brown people indiscriminately and with impunity, the ending of American imperialism that immiserates the entire world while poisoning our planet, the end of neoliberal institutions (which we created) that enforce structural inequality across the entire world (like the IMF), ending nuclear holocaust and weapons proliferation, the evisceration of the bourgeois class that has plundered and profiteered off the natural resources we need to survive, etc; all of which are hallmarks of American structure.
Of course, too - to make an omelet, first you have to crack a few eggs.
no, we’re definitely anti-amerikkkan, death to amerikkka, they’re saying that if we created a new flag it wouldn’t include any bourgeois atavisms such as the 13 settler colonial stripes. lol, is this a bit? no communist wants to see “a whole country burn, innocent children and all”, that’s what amerikkka does, in Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc., we want to see whole class of the bourgeoisie burn and their class collaborators to liberate the working class.
So if I say Death to Russia, everyone should know that I’m only referring to Putin and his ruling class of cronies, not the Russian people?
We don’t like Putin either, but also when centrists say stuff like that they don’t mean it and would gladly watch an entire ethnicity die just so they could feel safer. It doesn’t come off as honest.
